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 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer
Hello Sir,

Im sure youve heard much of this already, but I dont take kindly to attacks on my faith so I thought Id points out some of the more obvious things

1.Why is it not considered a miracle that we have been blessed with the innovation to develop prosthetic limbs for amputees? No the limb did not regenerate but the amputee is able to use the prosthesis in much the same way they could use the limb the lost. Not exactly the same but miraculous none the less.

2.Without the suffering in the world there would be no compassion, if no one were hurting no one could be helping. And it is staggering the little that is needed to help these people everyday a hundreds of children are given their own miracle everyday when they receive gifts of food, shelter, and education from strangers in North America and Western Europe.

3.Jesus came so that people would not need to die for their sins, all of your examples and from the Old Testament before Jesus came down from heaven.

4.Time is a human invention, our interpretation of 6 days as 144 hours is not necessarily the way God meant 6 days, 6 days could simply mean 6 sections each section being several thousand years. The world as it was known to the writers of the Bible was much smaller and to justify the story of Noah we need only understand the known world to have been flooded. As for Jonah and Adam please prove to me that Jonah did not live inside a whale for three days and why man and dust cannot have been one and the same both are carbon based.

5.God does not say that slavery is good he merely points out that slavery is a comparable example to how man should behave towards God the master.

6.See question 2

7.Very little evidence is left from other less radical parts of history and they are still believed as fact, and the fact that no evidence is left only further proves that miracles were done you cant leave evidence and sickness was healed, you cant leave evidence that the dead were raised, ad you cant leave evidence that water was turned to wine. The written documentation (more than just Biblical) is evidence enough.

8.Nothing happens if you dont believe it will happen. I myself and several others that I know personal have had encounters with Jesus.

9.Its symbolic and metaphorical, and no point in time does God ask anyone to take a bite out of another human being. It represents becoming part of the body of Christ so that through his death your sins may be forgiven.

10.Divorce is a very sad thing, that was invented by imperfect humans, even Christians are imperfect therefore it is not surprising that imperfect people would choose to marry people with whom they were not meant to be, God gives us free will that way.

Your questions get rather weak near the end and you explanations of why Christians cant answer then gets even weaker strange rationalizations (in some form or another) used more than 10 times.

Thanks for your time and I will pray for you because God knows you need the love of Christ in your life.

By the way I am university educated, I have been a CHristian all my life, and I have taken several courses in critica thinking.

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Re: 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer [#1023]
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 08:49:54 PM »
3.Jesus came so that people would not need to die for their sins, all of your examples and from the Old Testament before Jesus came down from heaven.

How do you know someone named Jesus came down from Heaven?

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Re: 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer [#1023]
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 09:14:56 PM »
1.Why is it not considered a miracle that we have been blessed with the innovation to develop prosthetic limbs for amputees? No the limb did not regenerate but the amputee is able to use the prosthesis in much the same way they could use the limb the lost. Not exactly the same but miraculous none the less.

According to my dictionary, a miracle is:
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an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

A prosthetic limb is clearly not an effect that surpasses all known human powers, as it was human powers that created it. 

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2.Without the suffering in the world there would be no compassion, if no one were hurting no one could be helping. And it is staggering the little that is needed to help these people everyday a hundreds of children are given their own miracle everyday when they receive gifts of food, shelter, and education from strangers in North America and Western Europe.

So, according to your belief, God has billions of people suffering so that you can feel compassion?  A bit egotistical, are we?  Why do we need to have suffering on such a massive scale? 

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3.Jesus came so that people would not need to die for their sins, all of your examples and from the Old Testament before Jesus came down from heaven.

I suggest that you read the Bible.  The Old Testament is very much a valid part of the Bible (indeed, if it were not, why is it there?).  In fact, according to the New Testament, the OT needs to be followed.  Read Matthew 5:18—19, Luke 16:17, 2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 20—21, John 7:19.

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4.Time is a human invention, our interpretation of 6 days as 144 hours is not necessarily the way God meant 6 days, 6 days could simply mean 6 sections each section being several thousand years. The world as it was known to the writers of the Bible was much smaller and to justify the story of Noah we need only understand the known world to have been flooded. As for Jonah and Adam please prove to me that Jonah did not live inside a whale for three days and why man and dust cannot have been one and the same both are carbon based.

Oh, so many issues here.  OK, first off, time is a human invention.  No, it is not, no more than gravity is a human invention.  How we measure time is a human invention is perhaps what you meant to say.  No matter, the Bible was written by humans, so why would it include a time reference that is outside of human comprehension?  Even if it was 'written by God', why would God write in a reference to time that the audience he is writing for would be unable to understand?

To prove that Jonah could not live inside a whale for three days would simply require acceptance of the necessities of life for a human.  There would be no air to breathe for one.  Gastric acid inside the stomach would dissolve the human (a person is nothing more than food at that point, and a whale's stomach is more than capable of breaking down a soft-skinned human).

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5.God does not say that slavery is good he merely points out that slavery is a comparable example to how man should behave towards God the master.

Please provide the passages in the Bible where God or Jesus state that human slavery is not good.  There are none.  In outlining the laws surrounding slavery, the Bible and Jesus (and by extension, God) condones it. 

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7.Very little evidence is left from other less radical parts of history and they are still believed as fact, and the fact that no evidence is left only further proves that miracles were done you cant leave evidence and sickness was healed, you cant leave evidence that the dead were raised, ad you cant leave evidence that water was turned to wine. The written documentation (more than just Biblical) is evidence enough.

No evidence proves miracles?  Interesting.  But let's examine your last statement: written documentation (more than just Biblical).  Please enlighten us as to what other written documentation exists to verify these Biblical stories.  I have researched this a fair bit, and have been unable to find any corroborative evidence by other contemporary writers.  Indeed, even the Bible is not contemporary of the events it describes, having been written between 60 and 200 years after the fact.

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8.Nothing happens if you dont believe it will happen. I myself and several others that I know personal have had encounters with Jesus.

And yet those who believe their limbs will grow back through the power and glory of God still have not had their limbs regenerated.  Why does God ignore them, yet provide you with your 'encounters'?

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10.Divorce is a very sad thing, that was invented by imperfect humans, even Christians are imperfect therefore it is not surprising that imperfect people would choose to marry people with whom they were not meant to be, God gives us free will that way.

Remember reading this in the Bible?

"You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe.  Every day was recorded in your book!"  (Psalm 139:16)

Please, explain this in terms of free will.  How can free will exist if each day of my life is scheduled before I began to breathe?   

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By the way I am university educated, I have been a CHristian all my life, and I have taken several courses in critica thinking.

It is good that you have taken courses in critical thinking.  However, it is more important to apply what you have learned in your daily life.  Blind adherence to bronze age mysticism is hardly thinking critically.  Apply your critical thinking skills to the Bible, and read the book in its entirety while thinking critically.  You will quickly discover that the deity depicted in that book is not the deity taught in Sunday schools.
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Re: 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer [#1023]
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 10:01:08 PM »
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Re: 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer [#1023]
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 10:20:09 PM »
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Re: 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer [#1023]
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2009, 11:54:16 PM »
I dont take kindly to attacks on my faith

A good science book could do a great thing for your faith.

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1.Why is it not considered a miracle that we have been blessed with the innovation to develop prosthetic limbs for amputees?

Sorry, I call that engineering, robotics, medicine, materials research, and I attribute the "healing" to doctors, engineers, chemists, counselors, and other scientists.

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No the limb did not regenerate but the amputee is able to use the prosthesis in much the same way they could use the limb the lost. Not exactly the same but miraculous none the less.

You'll take anything mediocore as a miracle.

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2.Without the suffering in the world there would be no compassion, if no one were hurting no one could be helping.

So let me get this straight... you are implying that suffering of people is a good thing because it leads to compassion and if there was no suffering there would be no need for helping?!

That is scary.  You are indeed scary.

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3.Jesus came so that people would not need to die for their sins, all of your examples and from the Old Testament before Jesus came down from heaven.

1.) Do you know for a fact that Jesus was a.) alive b.) the Son of God c.) born of a virgin d.) the mystical figure you know him as e.) crucified f.) resurrected g.) coming back

Here's a hint: the Bible is not evidence.  Anyone can write a great and fantastic story.

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As for Jonah and Adam please prove to me that Jonah did not live inside a whale for three days

Umm... seriously.... because he would have asphyxiated within minutes.  You need air to breathe.  Which is not found in great quantities inside a stomach.  Plus before he died he would be burned by the hydrochloric acid in the stomach.

Were you serious?

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and why man and dust cannot have been one and the same both are carbon based.

I'm an organic chemist (part of my major).  Do you know just how many things are made of carbon. Almost everything is made from carbon in some way or some how.

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8.Nothing happens if you dont believe it will happen. I myself and several others that I know personal have had encounters with Jesus.

Any evidence for this so-called "encounter."

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10.Divorce is a very sad thing, that was invented by imperfect humans, even Christians are imperfect therefore it is not surprising that imperfect people would choose to marry people with whom they were not meant to be, God gives us free will that way.

But don't you find it odd and strikingly weird that atheists have LESS divorces per population?

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I will pray for you because God knows you need the love of Christ in your life.

Don't pray for me... do something to help this world.  Praying hasn't accomplished anything.

"Two working hands accomplishes much more than a thousand hands clasped in prayer"

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By the way I am university educated, I have been a CHristian all my life, and I have taken several courses in critica thinking.

A university like K-State, Mizzou, Florida State, UC Berkeley, Harvard, OSU, Michigan, etc....?  Or a "university" like Liberty or some other Bible/Christian "university."
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Re: 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer [#1023]
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2009, 11:57:04 PM »
3.Jesus came so that people would not need to die for their sins, all of your examples and from the Old Testament before Jesus came down from heaven.

How do you know someone named Jesus came down from Heaven?

How do you know that there's something called "heaven"?
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Re: 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer [#1023]
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2009, 01:05:20 AM »
8.Nothing happens if you dont believe it will happen. I myself and several others that I know personal have had encounters with Jesus.

Why would jebus have a personal encounter with you and not me?  Thats very arrogant.
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Re: 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer [#1023]
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2009, 01:08:16 AM »
ahh, the self-fulfilling prophesy XD

today must be fallacy day or something
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Re: 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer [#1023]
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2009, 09:59:46 AM »
The world as it was known to the writers of the Bible was much smaller and to justify the story of Noah we need only understand the known world to have been flooded.
Then what exactly was the point, then?  God's plan was to destroy those who were sinning against him save 8 people.  If the flood only covered the "known world" then his plan was completely pointless.  That's typical of YHWH, though.

As for Jonah and Adam please prove to me that Jonah did not live inside a whale for three days and why man and dust cannot have been one and the same both are carbon based.
Am I to assume you also believe the magical stories of other religions and ancient cultures?  Prove to me Mohammed didn't ride a winged horse to heaven escorted by an angel.  Prove to me Vespasian didn't heal the lame and restore sight to the blind with the powers given by Serapis.  What makes your chosen mythology any more believable than other mythologies?

7.Very little evidence is left from other less radical parts of history and they are still believed as fact, and the fact that no evidence is left only further proves that miracles were done you cant leave evidence and sickness was healed, you cant leave evidence that the dead were raised, ad you cant leave evidence that water was turned to wine. The written documentation (more than just Biblical) is evidence enough.
See above.

Please expand on the bolded part.

Just to add, you can't use the bible to prove the stories in the bible.  It's circular.
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Re: 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer [#1023]
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