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Copy of email sent to Richard Dawkins. [#933]
« on: January 16, 2009, 07:06:34 PM »
Dear Professor Dawkins,

I have recently written a book exploring the possibility of yourself seeking
therapy, but your 'Wonderful Counsellor' turns out to be Jesus Christ!
I understand my [name] is circling the athiest field on the
internet.

I would like you to take into account these facts, and reconsider your current belief -
Tiny atoms & sub atomic particles make up everything, yet they are not alive, so
even if we were to assemble ourselves from atoms, we would not be alive but just
corpses. The miracle of life can only come from a Creator God.

99.99% of all life is now extinct & extinctions are regular, even without man. No
new species are appearing, and no new species has ever been documented. So it
appears that 'mother nature' is better at distinguishing lifve than creating it.

Earth is in just the right place relative to the right type of star & is the right
type of planet to support life. Is it just a lucky fluke that the universe is finely
tuned for life?

Genesis 22 v 17 & Psalm 147 v 4 tells us that the stars are limitless.

Job 26 v 7 tells us that he hangs the earth on nothing.

Isiah 40 v 22 tells us that the earth is round.

How would the writers of the Bbile know such things, if not God-inspired? Especially when such religions believed that the earth rested on turtles backs etc.

A number of athiestic scientists are continually modifying evolution to keep it
alive in the face of a barrage of new evidence against it. This holds back true
science as everything is made to conform to an incorrect theory. If evolution did
occur, it would have happened in other worlds.

Population growth of 0.5% gives present population from Noah's time. If man has
existed for millions of years, 300 000 000 000 000 people have lived even with a
zero growth rate. They have left no trace of their existence, no fossils, no bones,
no buildings, no culture - nothing!

Apart from the Bible, many ancient civilisations have flood stories similar to the
Biblical account.

It has been demonstrated that some creatures cannot arise from evolutionary
progression.

Everyone accepts the ability of species to adapt to their environment, but species
crossing species barriers & becoming another species is nonsense.
Mutations are cited as the cause of new species but are usually sterile, pointing to
an intelligent designer designing stability into the system preventing reproduction
of defective creatures.

All the missing links found have eventually proved to be either men or monkeys or
hoaxes.

It's not just a missing link between men & monkeys, but millions of missing links
between all species. There is not one single example of a transitional form that has
ever been found & proved valid. There should be billions of examples in the fossil
record, however, we see everything fully formed.

Man creates computers and artificial intelligence, yet our most powerful computer
has less intelligence than a worm, so how are we to suppose totally random processes
are capable of producing complex organs, species & life?

Sir Frederick Hoyle was not a Christian, but calculated the chance of forming life
from inanimate matter to be one raised to the power of a number with 40,000 naughts
after it & stated "it's enough to bury Darwin & the whole theory of evolution." To
show what a large number this is, there are estimated to be only ten to the power of
80 electrons in our vast universe, and it's easier to find a single electron in the
universe.
Darwin had many doubts about his own theories, and admitted that we can't prove one
species has changed. He made many wrong assumptions, and assumptions & suppositions
are not science. Science deals with fact. Later in life, Darwin realised the truth
in the many arguments scientists leveled against it, and saw the serious flaws & he
abandoned evolution.

The law of cause & effect - that the cause must be equal to or greater than the
effect, so something which is dead cannot produce something living. There is nothing
within the universe capable of its creation, it can only be an external God. To
create order, design & energy is used to complete the process - energy needs wisdom
& skill. Man cannot come out of nothing by itself.

Design, skill & energy are required to create something, and that with time order
flows to chaos. Evolution is the opposite, suggesting that with time life becomes
more ordered, moving to higher levels.

Explosions do not produce order, but are destructive processes producing chaos. We
cannot get the highly ordered universe we see, from a 'big bang'.

Rock strata showing simple creatures at the bottom and man at the top, does not
indicate evolutionary progression. At the time of a great flood, the simple
creatures & fish would be buried first, mammals would run to high ground, and men &
monkeys would climb trees.

If the universe is winding down, aren't we to assume that someone had to wind it up?!
Darwinism does not explain life. It may only explain certian things about when we've
got life.

Why do we assume that God has to be created? God is existence. God is uncreated, the
universe was created by him. God is both inside & outside of the universe, along
with time. If matter & energy was always there, there must be something eternal.
I hope that you will ponder on the contents of this email, and recognise its truth.
 
Very best wishes to you,
 
[name]

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Re: Copy of email sent to Richard Dawkins. [#933]
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2009, 07:31:32 PM »
Youj seem to not understand the difference between fiction and fact.  Please lets see some of your evidence for the claims you make
The whole point of science is that most of it is uncertain. That's why science is exciting--because we don't know. Science is all about things we don't understand. The public, of course, imagines science is just a set of facts. But it's not.  Freeman Dyson

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Re: Copy of email sent to Richard Dawkins. [#933]
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2009, 07:40:09 PM »
Bwahahahahahaha!

Thanks American education system.

It's so cute that this person thinks they are qualified to speak with educated adults.
You believe evolution and there is no evidence for that. Where is the fossil record of a half man half ape. I've only ever heard about it in reading.

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Re: Copy of email sent to Richard Dawkins. [#933]
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2009, 09:01:50 PM »
::blink blink:: the more i read the more i feel i don't belong in this country.

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Re: Copy of email sent to Richard Dawkins. [#933]
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2009, 09:40:45 PM »
Dear Professor Dawkins,
Yes, hello.

Tiny atoms & sub atomic particles make up everything, yet they are not alive, so even if we were to assemble ourselves from atoms, we would not be alive but just corpses.
Prove it.

The miracle of life can only come from a Creator God.
Baseless assertion.

No new species are appearing, and no new species has ever been documented. So it appears that 'mother nature' is better at distinguishing lifve than creating it.
False. For example, the Nylon Bug: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon-eating_bacteria

Earth is in just the right place relative to the right type of star & is the right type of planet to support life. Is it just a lucky fluke that the universe is finely tuned for life?
99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the universe is hostile to life.
99% of the Earth alone is hostile to human life.
You call that fine tuning?

Genesis 22 v 17 & Psalm 147 v 4 tells us that the stars are limitless.
Science tells us otherwise.

Job 26 v 7 tells us that he hangs the earth on nothing.
Your bible actually says otherwise: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm

Regardless, science tells us the Earth is "grounded" by other planets.

Isiah 40 v 22 tells us that the earth is round.
Your bible actually says otherwise: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm

Regardless, the Earth is not round; it's a sphere. It's not even a sphere, but an ellipsoid.

How would the writers of the Bbile know such things, if not God-inspired? Especially when such religions believed that the earth rested on turtles backs etc.
First, the bible is wrong about all those things. Second, China already had literacy, astronomy, and gunpowder without the aid of divine revelation. Third, you are ignorant of what other religions at the time believed.

A number of athiestic scientists are continually modifying evolution to keep it alive in the face of a barrage of new evidence against it. This holds back true science as everything is made to conform to an incorrect theory. If evolution did occur, it would have happened in other worlds.
It doesn't matter whether a scientist is a theist or atheist. Furthermore, if evolution by natural selection turns out to be false, it doesn't follow that creationism is true.

Population growth of 0.5% gives present population from Noah's time. If man has existed for millions of years, 300 000 000 000 000 people have lived even with a zero growth rate. They have left no trace of their existence, no fossils, no bones, no buildings, no culture - nothing!
Don't use bad math and big numbers to prove anything. Ever.

Apart from the Bible, many ancient civilisations have flood stories similar to the Biblical account.
The Bible plagiarized those stories (and every other story it could).

It has been demonstrated that some creatures cannot arise from evolutionary progression.
False.

Everyone accepts the ability of species to adapt to their environment, but species crossing species barriers & becoming another species is nonsense. Mutations are cited as the cause of new species but are usually sterile, pointing to an intelligent designer designing stability into the system preventing reproduction of defective creatures.
Your personal incredulity, poor understanding of genetics, and inability to fathom vast timescales are not an argument against evolution.

All the missing links found have eventually proved to be either men or monkeys or hoaxes.
What is a missing link and what should it look like?

It's not just a missing link between men & monkeys, but millions of missing links between all species. There is not one single example of a transitional form that has ever been found & proved valid. There should be billions of examples in the fossil record, however, we see everything fully formed.
False. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil

Man creates computers and artificial intelligence, yet our most powerful computer has less intelligence than a worm,
False.

so how are we to suppose totally random processes are capable of producing complex organs, species & life?
By first understanding that they are not totally random.

Sir Frederick Hoyle was not a Christian, but calculated the chance of forming life from inanimate matter to be one raised to the power of a number with 40,000 naughts after it & stated "it's enough to bury Darwin & the whole theory of evolution." To show what a large number this is, there are estimated to be only ten to the power of 80 electrons in our vast universe, and it's easier to find a single electron in the universe.
Don't use bad math and big numbers to prove anything. Ever.

Darwin had many doubts about his own theories, and admitted that we can't prove one species has changed. He made many wrong assumptions, and assumptions & suppositions are not science. Science deals with fact.
Ehh, I don't know about any of that, but disproving evolution doesn't prove creationism in any case.

Later in life, Darwin realised the truth in the many arguments scientists leveled against it, and saw the serious flaws & he abandoned evolution.
Ehh, I don't know about any of that, but it's irrelevant.

The law of cause & effect - that the cause must be equal to or greater than the effect, so something which is dead cannot produce something living.
You are mischaracterizing Newton's Third Law of Motion and then applying it beyond its context.

There is nothing within the universe capable of its creation, it can only be an external God.
The universe is not within itself; why can't the universe create itself?

To create order, design & energy is used to complete the process
Only energy, actually, and sometimes systems self-organize as a result of depleted energy. Entropy is neat.

- energy needs wisdom & skill.
This statement is adultered nonsense.

Man cannot come out of nothing by itself.
Nobody ever said that.

Design, skill & energy are required to create something, and that with time order flows to chaos. Evolution is the opposite, suggesting that with time life becomes more ordered, moving to higher levels.
No, the Second Law of Thermodynamics states that without energy, a closed system will tend toward disorder. Evolution does not happen within a closed system; the sun provides energy.

Explosions do not produce order, but are destructive processes producing chaos. We cannot get the highly ordered universe we see, from a 'big bang'.
The Big Bang was not an explosion; it was a rapid expansion of space.

Rock strata showing simple creatures at the bottom and man at the top, does not indicate evolutionary progression. At the time of a great flood, the simple creatures & fish would be buried first, mammals would run to high ground, and men & monkeys would climb trees.
False, though I this is the first time I heard the tree-climbing argument. Thanks for the belly laugh.

If the universe is winding down, aren't we to assume that someone had to wind it up?!
Or something, which may or may not be the universe itself.

Why do we assume that God has to be created?
Why do you assume the universe has to be created?

God is existence. God is uncreated, the universe was created by him. God is both inside & outside of the universe, along with time.
Great definition. How do you start with that and conclude that this God you've defined is also the masculine Yahweh from the Bible who hates fags? Show your work.

If matter & energy was always there, there must be something eternal.
Perhaps energy is eternal.

I hope that you will ponder on the contents of this email, and recognise its truth.
I hope you will get a proper education.

Best wishes.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2009, 09:44:16 PM by L6 »
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Re: Copy of email sent to Richard Dawkins. [#933]
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2009, 01:00:44 AM »
If matter & energy was always there, there must be something eternal.

Perhaps energy is eternal.

Well, if energy wasn't eternal... How would a 'creator god' be able to act?

And if energy is eternal, and matter and energy are related... Matter technically already existed as well.  What, exactly, did this alleged 'creator god' create?
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Re: Copy of email sent to Richard Dawkins. [#933]
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2009, 09:40:52 PM »
Dear Professor Dawkins,

Note; this web site and the videos associated with it are not controlled or even associated with Richard Dawkins.

As such, why send a letter to this site using Mr. Dawkins as the person who you address it to?

It makes you look stunningly misinformed, and, well, a bit crazy.




BTW: Your name was stripped before it was posted.  Not that if I heard your name I would change my assessment about you being unstable.
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Re: Copy of email sent to Richard Dawkins. [#933]
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2009, 09:46:13 PM »
Apparently this guy has never read any of Dawkin's books.  If he had then he would realize that quite a few of his issues were already addressed by Dawkins.

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Re: Copy of email sent to Richard Dawkins. [#933]
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2009, 09:52:21 PM »
Dawkins has a special round file for these guys.

I stopped believing for a little while this morning. Journey is gonna be so pissed when they find out...