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NO, YOUR DECIEVED!!!!!!!


---How to be saved---

Everyone is a sinner.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Sin must be punished by eternal death.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

God does not want anyone in hell.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Jesus paid that price for your sins.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

By faith in what Christ has done, we can be saved.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

If you reject Christ, you cannot be saved.

1 Corinthians 15:6 states that there were over 500 eyewitnesses to his resurrection. His blood was analyzed and it was alive- with only 24 chromosomes. Come to Jesus in faith and you will have bliss. Jesus is the Messiah. There is no excuse to reject him.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Will you accept Christ by faith today?

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------------------------FACTS DISPROVING EVOLUTION: THE EVOLUTION MYTH---------------------

"The evolutionary treesthat adorn out textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils." Stephen Jay Gould Evolution's Erratic Pace Natural History vol 5 May, 1977

"In the years after Darwin, his advocates hoped to find predictable progressions. In general, these have not been found-yet optimism has died hard, and some pure fantasy has crept into textbooks." Raup, David M. "evolution and the fossil record "Sciencevol 213 July 17, 1981 p 289


"trilobite fossils make good index fossils. If a trilobite such as this one is found in a rock layer, the rock layer was probably -----------------------------formed 500 to 600 million years ago.
trilobite-Holt modern earth science 1989 p290

William Meister June 1 1968.

Trilobite eyes have the most sophisticated eye lenses ever produced by nature. --------------------------
Lisa Sawver Science News Feb. 1974 p.72

Graptolites- index fossil for 410 million year old rocks--------------=================
Earth Magazine Sept 1993. South Pacific alive.

Coelacanth alive Indian ocean 1938.--------------------------------------------

"the Colorado River... has cut through layer upon layer of rock for millions of years..." Prentice Hall Biology 1998 p279
top is higher than where river enters by over 4000 ft.----------------------------------------

"I suppose the reason why we leapt at the Origin of Species -------------------------------------------was that the idea of God interfered with our sexual mores"
Sir Julian Huxley

"Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it only because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable. Sir Arthur Keith-------------------------------------------------------

If there were a column of sediments deposited continously since the formation of the earth, the entire history of the planet could be reconstructed. Unfortunately no such column exists. HBJ earth science 1989 P326.-----------------------------------

"Apart from very modern examples, which are really archaeology. I can think of no cases of radioactive decay used to date fossils Ager, Derek V "Fossil Frustrations New Scientist vol 100 November 10 1983 p425=

"A medical pathologist examined a dinosaur bone under a microscope and found dinosaur blood inside the bone. Earth June 1997 pp55-57--------------------------------------------------------

Soft tissue March 2005 ===========================

www.creationevidence.org - human and dinosaur ===================

Petrified trees- Bob Jones Earth science page 306=======================================
Upside down- A text book of Geology by Charles Schuchert, John Wiley and Sons, Inc London p 784------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Petrified fish giving birth- Creation Magazine 12-99=======================

"Eighty to eighty-five percent of Earth's land surface does not have even 3 geologic periods appearing in correct consecutive order. Dr John Woodmorappe "The essential Non-Existence of the Evolutionary Uniformatitarian Geologic Column" CRSQ Vol. 18 No 1 June 1981 pp 46-71=======

origins of Species p 170 "It is a truly wonderful fact that all animals and all plants throughout all time a space should be related to each other."============================================

"The central question of the Chicago conference was whether the mechanisms underlying microevolution can be extrapolated to explain the phenomena of macroevolution...the answer can be given as a clear, No."
Roger Lewin "evolution Theory Under Fire" Science vol 210 Nov 21 1980 p883.=================

"It looks as if 95% of current dogs come from just three original founding females. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2498669.stm--------------------------------------

"No matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of evolution." Pierre-Paul Grasse Evolution of living Organisms 1977 p88==============================

Mutation would not last in nature. Allyn and Bacon Biolgy 1977 p364. Short legged sheep.

Biolgy 1996 p324 Normal fruit flies have two wings. this mutant has four. This rare muation like most mutations is harmful. Beneficial mutations are the raw material for natural selection.

"Natural selection may have a stabilizing effect, but it does it does not promote speciation. It is not a creative force as many people have suggested. Daniel Brooks "A downward slope to Greater diversity. Science vol 217 24 September 1982 p 1240.====================

Wdis? biitf. Hdykiitf? bis.

"Fruit flies refuse to become anything but fruit flies under any circumstances yet devised. The Natural Limits to Biological Change. 1989 p89

Peppered moth Prentice hall focus on life Science 2001 p144.
40 years found 2 moths. Holt Biology 2001 p291

Homologous structures- Holt Biology 2004 p286.
Different genes bone development.,

"The similarity between early stages in the development
of many different animals helped convince Darwin that all forms of life shared common ancestors. BSCS Biological science 1978 p628

Gills like a fish- Merrill earth science 1993 p451
bones and glands in throat- Asking about Life Tobin and Dusheck 1998 p381.

Faked drawings- Creation Magazine March,may 1996p 35
also, Creation ex nihilo March, May1998 p51

Haeckel- "I should feel utterly condemned...were it not that hundreds of the best observers, and biologists lie under the same charge." University of Jena trial of 1875 Dr Edward Blick, Blick Engineering, Norman, OK

"Moreover the biogentic law has become so deeply rooted in biological thought that is cannot be weeded out in spite of having been demonstrated to be wrong ny numerous subsequent scholars" Walter J Bock. Dept of Biological Sciences, Columbia University. "Evolution by Orderly law, Science vol 164, May 9 1969, pp684-685

By 7 months, the fetus looks from the outside like a tiny normal baby, but it is not. Biology A journey into life Arms
and Camp 1991 p557==========================================================

Samuel Alexander, 21 week old, grabs doctors finger.

When compared with the caecum of a horse, the caecum and appendix of humans is thought to be vestigal. Glenco Biololgy 1994 p311.

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"Long regarded as a vestigal organ with no function in the human body, the appendix is now thought to be one of the sites where immune responses are initiated." Roy Hartenstein Grolier Encyclopedia 1998.

Whale vestigal pelvis- Biology Curtis and Barnes 1989 p969.
Reproduction.

Basilosaurus- "The serpentine form of the body and the peculiar serrated cheek teeth made it plain that these archaeocetes could not possibibly have been ancestral to any of the modern whales." B.J. Stahl, Vertebrate History Dover publishers 1985, p489

Pakicetus- Made of small piece of jaw, few teeth, piece of skull. Creation Magazine Nov 2001 p 10

Human vestigal tailbone- humans have a tailbone at the end of the spine that is of no apparent use. Holt Biology 1989
nine muscles.

...The human eye may be the product of millions of years of evolution. Merrill Biology 1983 p202

"To suppose that the eye... could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. p217

1 square inch 137,000,000 light sensitive cells.
Creation Magazine March, May 1996 p39

Octopus- blood vessels behind retina.

"It would take a minimum of 100 years of Cray [computer]
time to simulate what takes place in your eye many times every second." John K. Stevens, "Reverse Engineering the Brain," Byte, April 1985, p287

You can better understand how an eye might have evolved if you picture a series of changes during the evolution of the eye. Glenco Biology 1994 p337.

humans probably evolved from bacteria that lived more than 4 million years ago. HBJ earth sci 1989 p356

A hair from a bacteria-100,000 rpm Y Mararlyama etat, "Very Fast Flagellar Rotation," Nature Vol 371, 27 Oct 1994, p752



Although he never proved how life originated, he did add evidence to the theory that life could have started by itself on the primitive earth. H.B.J 1989 p357

"The first living cells emerged between 4 billion and 3.8 billion years ago. There is no record of the event." Biology the Unity and diversity of Life Wadsworth 1992 p300.

Methane, ammonia, water vapor, hydrogen.
Glenco Biology 1994 p325.

Ozone of oxygen blocks uv, ammonia destroyed by uv.
(Origins of Life Vol 12 1982)

Made 85%tar, 13%carboxylic acid, 2% amino acids.
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"what is the evidence for a primitive methane-ammonia atmosphere on earth? The answer is that there is no evidence for it, but much against it. Philip H. Abelson, "Chemical Events on the Primitive Earth," Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Vol 55 Hune 1966, p1365

DNA chromosomes laid out and stretched, from earth to moon and back 550,000 times! In the beginning Walt Brown p 62, Information books Grand canyon 78 times.

One DNA by random calculated 1 in 10^119,000. The entire universe in 10^28 inchesin diameter. Walt brown,p12.

If amphibians evolved before mammals, why do some have 5 times more DNA than mammalsand some amoebae have 1000 times more DNA? Scientific American, October 2004 p.62

"Now the genetic difference between human and his nearest relative, the chimpanzee, is at least 1.6%. That doesn't sound like much, but calculated out, that is a gap of at least 48,000,000 nucleotides,and a change of only 3 nucleotides is fatal to an animal; there is no possibility of change." Dr. Barney Maddox--Human Genome Project, Quantitative A Disproof of evolution, CEM facts sheet.

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"I fully agree with your comments on the lack of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them. I will lay it on the line-there is not one such fossil..." Dr Colin Paterson Senior Paleontologist, British Museum of Natural History in correspondence to Luther Sunderland quoted in Darwin's Enigma 1988 p 89.

"The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages... has been a nagging problem for...evolution." Dr Stephen J. Gould, Evolution Now p.140

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Horse-Silver Burdet Earth Science 1987 p361

18 pais, 15, 19, 18. Prentice hall life science 1991 p500
"Many examples commonly cited, such as the evolution of the horse family or of sabertooth 'tigers' can be readily shown to have been unintentionally falsified and not to be really orthogenetic. Simpson, George Gaylord, "Evolutionary Determinism and the Fossil Record, Scientific Monthly vol 71 October 1950 p.264

Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis USA today Oct 15 1999 promoted by Kevin Padian at UC Berkeley in Nature 398, April 15, 1999.

Dinosaur-bird link smashed in fossil flap USA Today 1-25-2000

Archaeopteryx- Holt Biology 2004 p 725

"Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth bound feathered dinosaur. But it's not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of 'paleobabble' is going to change that." Alan Feduccia "Archaeopteryx: Early Bird Catches a Can of Worms," Science Feb 5, 1994 p764,765.

"Transformism is a fairy tale for adults." Age Nouveau February 1959, p 12 Jean Rostand.

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Nebraska man built from 1 tooth
illustrated London News 1922

Neanderthal man- 1856 found first
300 been found Glenco Biology 1994 p358

"you must understand that this skull really cries out discease. The teeth are badly decayed, and the bones of the vault of the skull are extremely thick. There are many features that testify... of acromegaly or excess secretion of growth hormone in adulthood..."

cro magnon- Australopithecus africanus Glencoe Biology 1994 p 358

Australopthecus africanus (Taung) was found by Raymond Dart in 1924. In 1973 a geologist concluded the cave the skull was found in was less than 3/4 million years old.
Also bones of contention by martin lubenow p50.

lucy-unearthed 1974 Pensacola News Journal Sept 5 1999 p2a.

Hadar knee found a year earlier, 70 metres lower and 1 mile away.(+) National Geographic called it "Lucy" 5 times in the Nov 1985 issue p593 --www.csama.org

St Louis zoo human feet on lucy display no foot bones found.
"...We think the overall impression this exhibit creates is correct." According to Bruce L. Carr of St. Louis Post,
in Dispatch article July 22, 1996 p1.

Peking man- pieces of skull found in the 1920's In Peking china. remains of at least 10 humans in same cave.

Java Man (Pithecanthropus erectus) made few scraps of bone found in 1891 Java, Indonesia.
Dr dubios looking in java, ape's skull cap, three human teeth and thigh bone(found a year later and 50 feet away.
hid 2 normal skulls in same area.

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MORMON CHURCH- "Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life thnat God lives... He is a creator. We can become Gods like our Heavenly Father. This is exaltation." Official Mormon Doctrine Gospel Principles p289-293 1988 by corporation of the president of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints.


CATHOLIC CHURCH-"For the Son of God became man so that we might become God." Official catholic doctrine from catechism of the catholic church Ignatius press p 116. p129 in 2nd ed. by doubleday.

2003 estimated everyone have 11 trillion stars
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Stress that the earth is thought to be at leat 4.5 billion years old; Holt general science teachers edition 1988 p381--------

Humanists regard the universe as self existing and not created. Humanist manifesto 1 1933 tenent #1

nothing really means nothing. Not only mayyer and energy would disappear, but also spave and time. However, physicists theorize that from this state of nothingness the universe began in a gigantic explosion... HBJ General science 1989 p362.

As the nubula shrank, it spun faster and faster..Prentice hall general science 1992 p69


Conservation angular momentum- This would have caused the sun to spin very rapidly. Actually our sun spins very slowly. while the planets move very rapidly. around the sun. In fatc, although the sun has over 99% the mass of the solar system, it has only 2% of the angular momentum. This pattern is directly opposite to the pattern predicted fot the nebular hypothesis.
Dr H. Reeves the origin of the solar system in the origin of the solar system Dermott, S.F. ed. John wiley & sons, New york p. 9 1978.

8 of 91 moons rotate backwards. Neptunem jupiter and saturn have moon orbiting both directions. Astronomical almanac for the year 1989 Wash Dc U.s government printing office 1989 p.E88.

if big bang theory was true, even distribution Creaiton ex nihilo dec 99 p. 8

"I have little hesistation in saying that a sickly pall now hangs over the big bang theory. Sir fred hoyle. The big bang theory under attack science digest vol 92 May 1984 p 84

"no statute exists in any state to bar instruction in creation science. it could be taught before, and it can be taufght now. Stephen Jay gould. The verdict on creationism new york times july 19 1987, p.34

based on dna studies scientists are now putting forth the theory that there was a catastrophe 70,000 years ago that reduced the population to a few thousand. Discover channel May 12, 2002.

Galaxies spiral arms- Physics of the galaxy and interstellar matter, springer-verlag berlin 1987 p352-413

every 30 years start dies. less than 300 super nova. ICR september 1998

textbook- red giant evolve into white dwarf Prentice hall earth science 1995

egyptian herioglyphs from 200 bc described sirius as red. cicero 50 bc. sirius was red. ptolemy listed sirius as 1 of six red ones in 150 ad. Today is white star binary. It's a young world paul ackerman.

"Magnetic fields are generated by the liquid motion of molten metal inside a body. Yet ganymede should have cooled solid billions of years ago. Denver post dec 13, 1996 holt earth science 1994 p579

saturn rings- in the beginning walt brown p29 and 69

this fact alone puts the age of earth/moon system at less than 1.2 billion year max. In the beginning walt brown.

comets 10,000 years.

1950 Jan Oort

pluto is 39 au from earth. 93,000,000 mi. 50,000 AU oort cloud is impossible! Prentice hall earth science 1991 p73

"oort proposed a cloud of comets surrounding the solar system based on mathematical errors." See Raymond Littletone, "The Non-existence of the Oort Cometary Shell. Astrophysics and Space science vol 31 december 1974 p385-401

"Many scientific papers are written each year about the oort cloud, its properties, its origin, its evolution. Yet there is not a shred of direct observational evidence for its existence."
Comet 1997 p 148 Carl sagan and Ann Druyan, p 210.

earth's magnetic strength has declines 10% in last 50 years and 40% in last 1000 years.
Astronomy and the bible Donald deyoung p 18

Pangaea Merrill earth science 1993 p 343

Not hollow under ocean. Holt earth science 1994 p18


CARBON DATING MYTHS

the lower leg of fairbanks creek mammoth had a radiocarbon age of 15,380 RCY, while it skin and flesh were 21,300 RCY Harold E Anthony "Natures Deep Freeze" Natural history sept 1949, p300

one part of the vollosovitch mammoth carbon dated at 29,500 years and another part at 44,000." Troy L. Pewe Quarternary Stratigraphic Nomenclature in Unglaciated central alaska, geological survey professional paper 862, U.S Gov printing office 1975 p.30

earth slowing down. Pensacola news journal 12/6/1990

"Earth's rotation is slowing down. To compensate for this lagging motion, June will be one second longer than normal. This leap second announced by the international earth rotation service in February, will keep calendar time in close alignment with international time.

"Astronomy Magazine June 1992, p 24

the spin of earth causes the coriolis effect.
Prentice hall earth science 1995, p 499

sahara desert - hbj earth science 1989, p277
about 4000 yrs old. See- Potsdam institute for climate
impact research in Germany July 15, 1999 Geophysical research letters.

the rock cannot handle pressure for 10,000 years less. Creation ex nihilo vol 12 no 2 p 30 for how fast can oil form?

Oil and gas are from organisms that once lived in the sea... changed by heat and pressure into oil..
Holt general science 1988 p 294

In 1996 a 22.4 million proposal was approved in western in Western Australia that will build a plant to create oil from sewage sludge in 30 minute. See creation/evolution does it matter what we believe. By mike riddle ICR p.28

Technological savvy could turn 600 million tons of turkey guts and other waste into 4 billion barrels of light texas crude each year. By Brad Lemley discover vol 24 no 5 may 2003

Ice- over 10,000 feet down cores fro mgreenland drilled since 1990 show the northern climate was erratic... 135,000 years ago.

Scientific american feb 1998 p.82 calls summer and winter.

lost squadron creation ex nihilo june-aug 1997 p10
planes landed in 1942 in greenland.


the lost squadron was covered by 263 feet of ice in 48 years!
Creation ex nihilo June- August 1997 p.13
lostsquadron.com

Mississippi river deposits sediments at a rate of 80,000 tons an hour
Prentice hall general science 1992 p145

Tree ring dating is not an exact science. trees often produce more than one ring each year. http://www.sonic.net/bristlecone/martyr.html


4300 hundred max Allyn and Bacon biology 1977 p 180???????????????????

Great barrier reef- creation ex nihilo vol 8 no 1 p.6
less than 4200 years old. Coral reef growth origins vol 6 no 2 1979 p 88-95

the rocky ledge above niagara falls has been eroding for nearly 9,900 years.
holt earth science 1989, p279.

In 1841 charles lyell visited the falls. he said they were 10,000 years old. P179-182
Principles of geology

Crest lines showing recession of horseshoe falls since 1764. 864 feet in 185 years is approximately 4.7 feet per year. Niagara falls museum guide.

"A gorge about 7.5 miles long runs just below niagara falls. a simple calculation show that it has been 9900 years.."
Holt earth science 1984, p 384.

7.5 miles=39600 feet. divided by 4.7feet/year= 8426 years. (they used 4 ft/yr)

oceans are 3.6% salt today. Holt biology 1984 p225.

According to self professed infidel DAve Matson "the bulletin of the national speleological society 37: p 21 1975- gave their observed growth rates as ranging from 0.1 to 10 centimetees per thousand years.

lincoln memorial built in 1922 50 inch stalactites.
2 inch refrigeration shed built 1926-1927 inside fort pickens in Pensacola florida.

1987 level 5 of the lead mine at mt. Isa, QL, australia. mine was 55 years old Creation magazine march-may 1998 p 27

100 year old flowstone formation in thermopolis, wyoming liberty magazine May june 1993 page 24

oldest writing systems- national geographic august 1999 p 113
3000 bc about

the oldest language that can reasonably be reconstructed is already modern, sophistaicated complete from an evolutionary point of view. The biological nature of man G.G. Simpson science vol 152 april 22 1966 p477

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Faults- scott foresman earth science 1990 p 224

LONDON- "European scientists using an ultra cold orbiting telescope have discovered unimaginable volumes of water in the space between the stars... The scientists were asounded to find water vapor in the freezing atmosphere oj Jupter Uranus Neptune and Saturn... and Titan. Dayton Daily News April 8, 1998
p12A.

New theory: Lack of oxygen, not asteroid, killed dinosaurs International Falls, minnesota news 1993

50% more oxygen than it does now- time magazine nov 9 1987 p82

Mr newton anderson found a bell inside a lump of coal.
See: Ammunition by Norm Scharbough Communique Conservative Publishers PO Box 215 Brownsburg, IN. 842-5556 He has the bell.

cast iron pot in 1912 at the municipal electric plant in thomas, ok. creationevidence.org

oct 8 1922 American weekly section of new york sunday american by dr W H Ballou. The stitching pattern was clearly ivisble including the twist of the thread. The rock was dated 213-248 million. "The hidden history of the human race michael a cremo p113-115
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"In January Mr webb with david harwood an assistant professor of gelolgy at the university of nebraska at lincoln and barrie mckelvey a professor of geology at the university of new england in australia found the deposit of leaves on the side of a cliff in a desolate stretch of the transantarctic mountains, about 250 miles from south pole. Raymond chris. "scientists report finding forests of dinosaurs in antarctica's (Chronicle of higher education march 20,1991 pA11. ??????
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drawing of 11'6" man from italian coal mine.
Dinosaur by carl baugh
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LOWER RIB-- Creation ex nihilo sept 1999 p48???(regenerating ribs)
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roman emperor maximus was 8'6" Chronicle of the roman emperors 1995 p160

a skeleton 9'8" tall was recovered from a stone burial mound at brewersville, indiana in 1879. Indianapolis news neovermber 10 1975 quoted in readers figest mysteries of the unexplained

nearly ten feet tall humbolt lake bed NV in june 1931
Lovelock review-miner's june 19, 1931

"At walkerton, 20 miles southwest of south bend IN, a group of amateur archaeologists opened a mound in 1925 and unearthed the skeletons of eight giants ranging from eight to nine feet long. All were wearing heavy copper armor...
Through the bungling of these diggers and the total disinterest of the archaeological museum establishment, these discoveries have now been scattered and lost. Weird america by jim brandon p84 see www.ior.com/~kjc/pages/strange.htm

a skeleton 12 feet tall was found by soldiers in lonpoc rancho, california in 1883, the remains were reburied due to objections by local indians. The unexplained by Dr Karl Shuker p151

A Skeleton 12 feet tall was reported in many papers near tucson, AZ in 1891. the man had 6 toes, long hair and a bird shaped headdress. Weird america by jim brandon p2

Discovery and conquest of mexico and new spain, Bernard
Diaz de Castillo p185 -thigh bone big as cortes.

Giant stones found in lebanon. Feats and wisdom of the ancients, time life p65

Far out adventures the best of world explorer magazine p16 vol 1 no 3 SMITHSONIANGATE

Lovelock cave, nevada 1911 Readers digest mysteries of the unexplained p41. 12" 8 1/4 mandible.

6.5" across tmj wyattmuseum.com

Race of giants lived here. Skeletons of mammoth
human race unearthed in the county. Found in big mound
Near the outlet of lake noquebay, in NE Wisconsin, mounds w. One skull found was about three times the size of the ordinary human and other bones were correspondingly big -The index Wausaukee, wisconsin friday october 14 1904 vol 11 no 9

The is a complete misrepresentation. And I believe they know it is a misrepresentation. Professor david menton Washington university. St louis lucy display.
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Russel H. Tuttle university of chicago, did the most extensive study of the Laetoli footprints in africa. Studied 70 barefoot people habitually "the 3.5 million year old footprint trails at Laetoli site G resemble those of habitually unshod modern humans. None of their features suggest that the Laetoli hominids were less capable bipeds than we are." "the pitted pattern of laetoli feet natural history mar 1990 p64 quoted in bones of contention p174

Footprints in the Ashes of Time Mary Leakey National geographic april 1979 p446-457.
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"the various australopitheecines are indeed, more different from both african apes and humans in most features than these latter are from each other." Dr Charles E Oxnard in Fossils, teeth and sex- new perspectives on human evolution university of washington, press, seattle and london 1987
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A skull found in spain and promoted as the oldest sxample of man in Eurasia was later identified as a four month old donkey skull fragment. A three day symposium to discuss the "Orce" man, named for the town in southern spain was cancelled. "ass taken for man" Daily telegraph may 14, 1984./

A dolphin's rib had been labeled human collarbone and promoted as evidence for evolution. Evolutionist tim white exposed the hoax. Anderson, "humanoid collarbone exposed as dolphins rib" New Scientist april 28, 1983 p199.

rhinoceros 18 feet tall- university of nebraska museum

Today's bugs are limited in size by amount of oxygen and air pressure. Highlights for children p8 may 2001.

50 inch wingspan dragonfly. creationevidence.org

cockroach fossils over 18 inches

A fossil centipede 8.5 feet long- Aug 28, 1999 DT

2 foot grasshoppers.

tarantula 3 foot leg span- highlights for children may 2001 p9?

60 foot cattail.

9 foot high donkey to the shoulder.

12 foot horn span buffalo. In Joe taylor's museum www.mtblanco.com

"...Dinornis maximus which reaching a height of 13 feet
strange stories amazing facts p246 readers digest.

8 foot beaver. Jim Erb 920-699-2516 in johnson creeek wisconsin.

salamanders 6feet

Megalodon creation magazine march 01 p50

oysters 11.5 feet wide! Express times 3-2-01 pA-2

Petrified clams on mt everest- Holt Modern Earth Science 1983 p207.

"the biggest pterosaur flying over the inland sea is pteranodon. Like all reptiles, it grows throughout it life..."
Holt Earth science 1991, p293.

Dr Cabrera has human vertebrae found in cretaceous ediemtn in Ocucaja desert, Ica peru. The message of the engraved stones of ica p24.

In 1930 roland T bird , field explorer for the american field museum, reported 15-20 inch long clearly defiend human footprints with dinosaur tracks.

Also see Valley of the giants, by Dr Cecil Dougherty p.66
rebuttal of critics www.omniology.com

On june 11, 1891 the morrisonville times reported; "A curious find was brought to light by Mrs S W Culp last Tuesday morning. As she was breaking a lump of coal apart, embedded in a circular shape a small gold chain about 10 inches in length of antique and quaintn workmanship. The hidden history of the human race. Michael A Cremo p113

2000 year old battery found in Iraq. Creation Ex nihilo Mar 1994 p12.

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Feb 18, 1999 houston Chronicle page 10a ran an article about a Danish physicist, Dr Hau working at harvard being able to slow down light by cooling it they cool it to fifty-billionths of a degree above absolute zero-459.67

In Dallas Morning News 2-28-2000 the article says they have now slowed it to 1MP! See also New scientist july 24 1999 p28-32.

p.56 "even the nearest cepheids are so remote that it is difficult to determine their absolute distances with any great accuracy... "all large distances... in astronomical literature... subject to an error of perhaps 10 percent, from this cause alone." Jeans, James, The universe around us (New york: Cambridge university press 1969

living mollusk shells were carbon dated as being 2300 years old. Science vol 141 1963 p 634-637

A freshly killed seal carbon dated 1300 years old. Antarctic journal vol 6 sept-oct 1971 p211

shells from living snails were carbon dated as being 27,000 years old. Science vol 224 1984 p 58-61

lava from 1801 Hawaiian volcano eruption gave a K-Ar date of 1.6 million years old. Dalyrmple, G.B. 1969 40Ar/36Ar analysis of historic lava flows. Earth and Planetary science letters 6-47 55

"Earth's surface was hot and there were large pools of bubbling lava. Holt Earth Science 1994 p 280

The Search for Adam and Eve
Newsweek 1-11-1988 p 46.



The data for a Creator is compelling. People don't believe because
either A) They have a lack of knowledge, B) they do not want anyone
telling them what to do, or C) they are being willingly ignorant. I
hope it is letter a in this case. It is impossible that there be no
creator. Every design has a designer. That's common sense, logical, and scientific. The first law of thermodynamics says matter cannot be created or destroyed! so how did the earth originate? Since this is a natural law, it CANNOT be created naturally. The logical choice
is Divine creation. Evolution is NOT science, but religion. Don't be brainwashed. There are NO exceptions in this case. Here is a valid deductive argument. Both the premises are true and support the conclusion.

Every complex thing has a designer.
The universe is a complex thing.
Therefore, the universe has a designer.

I also thought it would be interesting to post some Bible verses. Not
to offend, but you must know what the scripture says. You have no excuses. Evolution is absurd.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain

babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
[4]: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth
good.

Romans 1:[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in
unrighteousness;
[19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for
God hath shewed it unto them.
[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their
foolish heart was darkened.
[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made
like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and
creeping things.
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts

of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even
their women did change the natural use into that which is against
nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that
which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their
error which was meet.
[28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,
God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are
not convenient;
[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,
covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit,
malignity; whisperers,
[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors
of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural
affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such
things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in
them that do them.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made
that was made.

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the
fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the
beginning of the creation. (what does this sound like?)
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God
the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in
the water:[6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

You "Athiests" have no excuse when you stand before God from your unbelief. How can you say there is no God?? This is FOOLISHNESS. You do not know everything, hence God exists in the huge percentage of things you don't know. Question. Do you think murder is wrong? if yes, why? How do you tell the difference between right and wrong? God is not willing that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance and be saved through Christ. (Ezekiel 33:11, 2 Peter 3:9 ) You
must REPENT of your wicked ways and come to the Lord Jesus!! Evolution is a MYTH. There are NO transitionary forms between kinds in the ENTIRE fossil record! Honest scientists would admit this!
There are no fish with "beginnings of legs" going from amphibians, reptiles, and then mammals. This proves evolution never happened! Smell the indoctrination! All evolution is is unproved speculation. Variations between the same kind is NOT evolution. Horses and Zebras do have a common ancestor, because they are the same KIND!! They are both horse kind! They are the same kind of animal if they can bring forth. Genesis 6:20, 7:14 says that everything brings forth after their KIND. Which is proven. Dogs cannot give birth to hamsters, not even over a trillion years! This has NEVER been observed. Evolutionary "Proofs" have all been proved WRONG. Piltdown man was a hoax. Natural selection only works for variations. It NEVER changes the animal into a different kind, only a variation. Let's use an analogy. Quality control for cars will make sure you get a good car. Repainting the exterior, interior, better bumpers/tires etc. But it will ALWAYS stay a car!! This process will NEVER change the car into an airplane. So no one has observed Macro evolution. No one has ever seen a dog produce a non dog. This is simply a myth when they say that Evolution is "science". Variations do not add up to changes outside kinds. The fossil record shows no transitionary fossils, and the fossil record is one of the biggest proofs against evolution. You cannot even show me anything that proves evolution. Should there be fish with beginnings of legs? and reptiles slowly changing to mammals? There are none. All the animals are complete forms. How could fish evolve gills? This is very absurd. How would they survive without the gills?You cannot use structure either. To say that there are "vestigial" organs is showing an ignorance in
biology. The coccyx is not vestigial, is has nine muscles that have certain
functions. To say that we "lost" a tail from primates is silly. Is not losing
something opposite of evolution? Dinosaurs and humans lived
at the same time. Human footprints were found side by side with dinosaur footprints in Glen Rose, Texas. Carbon Dating is a myth. They assume constant decay rate, but decay rate is NOT constant. Radioactive Polonium 218 halos in Granite proves decay rate was faster in the past. They also prove an instant creation, and disproves evolution. The dates they get are totally random-they pick the certain dates that match the geologic column, which was made up by Charles Lyell in 1830s. The geologic column is full of circular reasoning! they tell the age of the bones by layers, and layers by bones when the ages are much different! They have the whole time scale wrong! Freshly killed seals Carbon dated at 1300 yrs, and living snails dated at 27,000 yrs. Richard Leakey also found a normal human skull under the KBS tuff and it "dated" at 212 million years.The layers of the earth are NOT
different ages. Petrified trees are found running through many layers of rock, and coal seams. Also, trees are found upside down running through multiple layers of rock. The only way to interpret this is massive burial by the flood. Ernst Haeckel faked the "ontogony recapitulates phylogency". He made up the drawings in 1869 and proven wrong in 1874. The Peppered moth story is phony. similiar structures is NOT proof. There has been no evidence of macroevolution anyway. You will
learn that the hub caps from a Pontiac will fit on a Chevy. Does that mean they evolved from a Honda 14 million years ago?? NO! Spontaneous generation has been proven wrong by Louis Pasteur. So the Big bang is proven wrong. No one has ever seen a good mutation. "Examples" used are people with sickle cell anemia cannot get malaria. They are
BOTH bad!! what a scam. Pangaea is a hoax. The continents were always conected, hence the earth has a crust. The islands are not floating on water, the water is covering all the low places, and they shrunk africa and the continents are upside down, and central america/Mexico is GONE!! The large animals in the fossil record are NOT old. It is a self contradiction! The animaIs were bigger because conditions thousands of years ago were better. They had an increased oxygen content of the atmosphere, along with 2-3 times normal
pressure. Today, you can't get big animals like that. I proves everything gets WORSE with time! according to second law of thermodynamics, adding energy does NOT fix the problem, it still needs a mechanism to use it. The universe is closed system. I have MUCH more to say, but I think this will do for now. The Bible prophecied a time when people would turn their ears from the truth, and be converted to fables.


2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves
teachers, having itching ears;
[4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be
turned unto fables.

The reason that it is still in school systems is because it is a carefully protected state religion. It only survives on tax dollars. Plus the people who approve of these things have been biased and not considered an alternative position, they only present one side, this is indoctrination, not education. The real scientific evidence supports creation, and disproves evolution. Piltdown man was proven wrong in 1953, and is STILL in textbooks. Someone combined a human skull with a modern ape's
jawbone, filed the teeth down, broke off the TMJ's and made them fit
together and then treated it with chemicals and buried it in a gravel
pit. Someone else "discovered" it. Same frauds with Homo Erectus,
Peking man, neanderthal man, heidelberg, cromagnon, Lucy, and all
others. I will give you more info and proper documentation if you want.
I recommend you visit this site and see "lies in the textbooks" with an
open mind. Radioactive Polonium 218 halos in Granite prove Creation, and disprove evolution.

Also the sister site, http://www.orionfdn.org exposes big bang theory as a BIG MYTH!! Also, The Bible is confirmed as History, Science, and Prophecy. An example is found in Job 38:16. It talks about springs in the sea! modern scientists have only "discovered" this in 1977. If you go to the arkdiscovery site, you will see biblical proof for discoveries of Noah's Ark, Sodom and Gomorrah, The Red Sea crossing, Mt Sinai, the Ark of the Covenant, and Jesus Blood test!!! The evidence stays the same, so you cannot scoff. I challenge you to listen to the seminars by Kent Hovind at his web site, http://www.drdino.com

http://www.halos.com/videos/streaming-video.htm#yae

http://rlhymersjr.com/Online_Sermons/03-30-03PM_EvolutionIsAHoax.htm

http://drdino.icsrepair.com/videos/hibitrate/seminar4_hi.wmv

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/videos.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%20Hoax/evolution_the_big_hoax.htm

The greatest evidence though, is fulfilled Bible prophecy. Obviously a
Creator does exist if we have TONS of prophecy.I will name a few so you can see. You must compare scripture with scripture to understand in some cases. These prophecies are from
http://www.endtime.com

Also, there are NO contradictions in the Bible. (John 10:35, 2 Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6, 138:2) explanations are in articles tab on drdino.com, and also...

http://www.debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm


Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from
another.


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----Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth.----

[4] The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the
wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and
made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

The beasts are symbols of nations or kings. The lion (Great Britain)
had eagles wing's. (USA) The US was mainly part of Great Britain, but
the wings were plucked, which happened in 1776, Daniel saw the
declaration of Independance less than 3000 years ago before it came to
pass. The mans heart is talking about Uncle Sam.

[5] And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised
up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between
the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

The Bear is Russia, But the ribs could mean the territories of
Lithuania, Sweden, and Finland.

[6] After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon
the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and
dominion was given to it.

The Leopard (Germany) had dominion given to it, the three major wars
(Franco German, ww1 and 2 were started by Germany. The four heads
symbolize Hitlers four Reichs, the fourth reich started to rise years
ago. Multiple number of heads indictate the number of times that nation
will rise and fall. The official flag of Germany should be a black
eagle, I reason.

[7] After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast,
dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron
teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with
the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before
it; and it had ten horns.

This is the prohesied power that will be a combination of 10 nations,
which will be part of the World government.


[8] I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them
another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns

plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the
eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The World government will be ruled by a single dictator, and will be
communist.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast
rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his
horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet
were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and
the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

These nations all combine with the ten horn kingdom to form the World
government. Of course this will be a very evil rulership.

[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his
deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

The leopard head (Germany) was wounded as it were to death when the
Berlin wall was built. Usa today characterized it as a "29 mile wound
that just won't heal" in 1986.
Life magazine article in 1968 George W Ball thought of the wall as the
division that festers like a rusty knife wound. The wound healed when
the Berlin wall fell, and time magazine said in Nov 1989 in wall of
shame, "It was a deep wound in European civilization, and it is finally
gone. All the world wondered after the world government beast, because
the fall of the wall was the catalyst that would send us into new world
order. In sep 1991, Dick cheney said "new era of promise that started
two years ago with the collapse of the Berlin wall."
Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great
mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of
the sea became blood;
[9] And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had
life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

John was seeing a vision of the atomic bomb on nagasaki as a "Huge
mountain burning with fire that was cast into the sea."
about a third of the ships were destroyed in ww2.

Revelation 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great
star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third
part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
[11] And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of
the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Chernobyl is the russian word Wormwood, this prophecy happened in 1986 at the Chernobyl unit 4 reactor. The lid came off after an unauthorized safety test, blew the 2 million pound concrete lid off reactor, into the air and radiation spread through most of europe. 2 million people have been infected. the waters were made bitter by the rain of the
radiation, hundreds of thousands have died from the infected waters,
just as the prophecy said.

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
[2] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. [3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. [4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.[5] And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.[6] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.[7] And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
[8] And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.[9] And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.[10] And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.[11] And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

This peophecy is talking about the Gulf war in 1991. Saddam Hussein set numerous oil wells on fire, the sun was darkened by reason of the smoke, The skies of kuwait were pitch black for about 3 months. The scorpions are a descriptionof helicopters, the faces of men in the cockpit, breastpleasts of iron, gunners in the tails, and sound of many chariots going to battle. They had a king over them- Saddam. Apollyon and Abaddon both mean destroyer. Saddam Hussein's name means destroyer. His mother named him Saddam because of the pains she was having when she bore him.

The list can go on and on. I am compelling you that the Bible IS true and can be trusted. You must put your faith in the Lord Jesus and Repent, It is the only way to salvation. You will be glad that you did. If however, after you have read all this information and still do not believe, then Satan has
blinded you big time. If you do not accept Jesus as your Savior as he died for your sins, you will be judged at the last day, and be eternally damned. Don't say I did'nt warn you. You have been warned.

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This email looks strangely familiar.

And it's still stupidly long and incoherent.
If we come together and do not fight over religion, class and borders then we hold the key to a peaceful world. There are two possible futures in store; either a March of power and greed or a March of a unified human race.

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holy hell

the walls of text... they hurt teh eyes
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I can quote all sorts of texts, ancient and modern, at you too.  Doesn't prove anything unless you back them up.
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WOW !!!
Yo, put that in your pipe and smoke it.  Quit ragging on my Lord.

Tide goes in, tide goes out !!!

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I prefer the power of christ compels you ones, they're funnier... and I read them in full... and also count.... the christs XD
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