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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2018, 11:15:08 AM »


To be mad in an mad world means you are sane. The majority of mental illnesses are political diagnoses.

Hmmm, any more false claims you want to make?  It's always good to see theists making false claims.
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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2018, 02:17:13 PM »


To be mad in an mad world means you are sane. The majority of mental illnesses are political diagnoses.

Your wisdom and insight has me intrigued. I've looked up "political diagnosis" and it has me stumped, could you please elaborate on  the subject and help me understand it, thanks.....
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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #60 on: February 14, 2018, 08:02:32 PM »


To be mad in an mad world means you are sane. The majority of mental illnesses are political diagnoses.

Your wisdom and insight has me intrigued. I've looked up "political diagnosis" and it has me stumped, could you please elaborate on  the subject and help me understand it, thanks.....

Does this mean the Florida shooter that killed 17 today in a high school is actually sane, and we're the insane ones?  I'm honestly not sure what it means either, would be curious to hear an explanation.

Another crazy thing that religious people say is being said right now after this mass shooting: God has a plan (YRM DM mentioned this one earlier).  Also - these 17 kids were killed, but there's a silver lining.  Many will be brought closer to God because of these murders.  They serve a purpose in the grand scheme of things.  We hear those types of crazy rationalizations after all of these tragedies.

Then we hear "God spared my child today" while forgetting about the 17 who were killed. 

We can really see the disconnects after a day like today, or Sandy Hook, or Mandalay Bay in Vegas, and so on.

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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2018, 10:42:35 PM »
The "authorities" in politics, media, education, morals, etc.,  - maybe you will see the need for a higher power later on! - are so vociferous against juvenile crime, but so less vociferous against the glorious presentation with pictures, words, and deeds of ever more deadly and more powerful guns, missiles, bombs, etc... The mature criminals of our civilization are hypocrites, able to kill millions and get away without consequence.

I'm not justifying what happened today. It may seem inhuman calculus, but let's compare KILL rates!

The destruction of entire nations through illegal wars over lies to fuel imperialist profits is glorified: i.e.,

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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #62 on: February 15, 2018, 03:15:17 PM »
The "authorities" in politics, media, education, morals, etc.,  -
It's cute that you put authorities in scare quotes, primarily because I don't believe for one second you have any idea who you think you're referring to.  I'm guessing this is the equivalent of a 12-year old yelling about 'the Man' or The SystemTM.  There is 'the Man', and there is The SystemTM, but you, like a 12-year old, have no interest in ascertaining anything about 'the Man' or The SystemTM and are content with the idea that you are one of The Enlightened Ones and the rest of us are just paltry suckers being dragged around by the dominating elite whilst you, in your intellectual enormity, are immune from such slavish stupidity[1].

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maybe you will see the need for a higher power later on!
Is the existence of this 'higher power'[2] predicated on the human need for it's existence?  That is, if humans did not recognize the need for the higher power, would that cause that higher power to not exist?

I do not think you know what 'not believing god exists' means.

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- are so vociferous against juvenile crime, but so less vociferous against the glorious presentation with pictures, words, and deeds of ever more deadly and more powerful guns, missiles, bombs, etc... The mature criminals of our civilization are hypocrites, able to kill millions and get away without consequence.

I'm not justifying what happened today. It may seem inhuman calculus, but let's compare KILL rates!
Can you think of any groups or even singular entities who may have drowned 99.9999% of all life on the third rock from the Sun?

Perhaps you could better explain why you're interested in comparing kill rates.

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The destruction of entire nations through illegal wars over lies to fuel imperialist profits is glorified: i.e.,

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I'm not letting you repost that link, primarily because I fail to see how that giant mess of rambling confusion has any relevance what you're saying right now and, presumably, what you're responding to.

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I actually agree with you on your quip regarding countries pushing wars for profit, but you seem to be implying that you came to that conclusion based on reading through that exceptionally absurd and wholeheartedly stupid blathering from deltoidmachine's immense storified crazy-person rantings.  I find that ridiculous.
 1. Goddamn do I find it hilarious that you're taking this kind of position and had somehow found something laudable about that cavalcade of incomprehensible rambling from deltoidmachine.
 2. I wonder what you mean by this.
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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #63 on: February 15, 2018, 03:30:53 PM »

Can you think of any groups or even singular entities who may have drowned 99.9999% of all life on the third rock from the Sun?

Perhaps you could better explain why you're interested in comparing kill rates.

Yeah I found this confusing too.  How does this get us closer to needing a God that killed everyone on the planet except for one family?  As you say too, over 99% of species have gone extinct, and of the ones that survive, how many that are a part of them are incredibly lucky to be here?  What percentage of human pregnancies end in miscarriage? 

Plus, how did we get away from talking about the insane people being sane?  I brought up the Florida killer and the response is essentially "well he may be bad but he's nothing compared to war profiteers."  It feels like a diversionary tactic.  It's kind of like Christians who have told me "well Atheism is a religion too."  It's almost like they're admitting that a religion isn't a really good idea.   It feels like they're saying "Well you're just as bad as we are."  Instead of addressing their own shortcomings with their beliefs, the argument seems to be "well you're just as bad or worse." 

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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #64 on: February 15, 2018, 03:50:46 PM »
Plus, how did we get away from talking about the insane people being sane?  I brought up the Florida killer and the response is essentially "well he may be bad but he's nothing compared to war profiteers."  It feels like a diversionary tactic.  It's kind of like Christians who have told me "well Atheism is a religion too."  It's almost like they're admitting that a religion isn't a really good idea.
We got away from that topic because the person who brought it to the table (superuniverse2018) didn't want to talk about it.  He wanted to lay it down like a move in a game of spades - to him, I suspect, 'arguments' are a game wherein the debaters have an inventory of statements that they can lay down on the table.  Some statements will take the trick, other statements will be a draw, still other statements may even constitute an illegal play and thus aren't considered for scoring the gameargument.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure superuniverse2018's methodology for engagement here on this forum will be him looking through his little bag of tricks to see what statements he can throw down on the table that'll work as a 'gotcha' to his opponent.  In this case, the opponent being the atheists and/or non-theists here.  The storify thing he's pointed to a couple of times is illustrative, I think, of what his discussion approach is going to be.  It's a very shotgun style "let me throw all the shit at the wall and see what sticks."  Responses to anything that even almost kinda sticks to the wall will, at best, be glanced over, primarily to see if there are any keywords in those responses he can use for his internal search engine for his little bag of tricks for his next round of throwing crap out there.

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It feels like they're saying "Well you're just as bad as we are."  Instead of addressing their own shortcomings with their beliefs, the argument seems to be "well you're just as bad or worse."
Well I can understand the inclination to do that.  We all kinda get annoyed when we see what we perceive as something throwing stones in their own glass house, and we like to call people out on that.
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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #65 on: February 17, 2018, 02:41:37 AM »
Already spent too much of my life trying to make the blind see, perhaps an impossible task.

But a few words about psychiatry as it applies for the majority of the population, and I'm not talking about people born with obvious neurological dysfunction:

The issue is covered in some detail on deltoidmachine page, but in my opinion the use of psychiatric drugs to cure mental illness, I.e., the method to chemically enforce obedience to the criminal totalitarian system, actually is a cause of mental illness.

The disruption of our delicate brain chemistry in the name of medicine with these mind destroying drugs is a tragedy of unprecedented proportions. They annihilate the individual, and transform people into a one-dimensional humans, and in the long term converts people either into killers, vegetables, or suicide cases, not to mention all the disastrous side effects of these drugs on the physical human body.

Here the cure is worse than the disease:


https://drudgenow.com/article/?n=0&s=2&c=1&pn=Anonymous&u=http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/

Psychiatry has become a real pseudoscience. Mental health and normalcy are defined according to the degree to which a person can function and perform in society. It is probably easy to agree what is the normal functioning of the heart and the lungs are. But what about the mind? If everyone thought exactly the same would that be a sign of mental health and normalcy? Of course not, it would mean the end of individuality! But what happens when these mental illnesses are CAUSED by the stresses and strains of competitive performance based capitalist society?
Therefore individual cure would be impossible without curing society as a whole.

Modern psychiatry has no other standards of value other than the prevailing ones given by society. To be a radical or in opposition to this capitalist society must imply that the person is "mentally ill" or a "criminal," for we are supposedly living in the best system of all time, thus runs their logic. WRONG!
But what happens when society is sick? Then mental health would actually be equivalent to mental illness which is hidden from both the individual and their society. For the most part, psychiatry is used to absolve society from its crimes and shift the blame and responsibility on to the individual, i.e., he must have a chemical imbalance in his brain. Not to mention the $330 billion dollar a year industry on drugs to treat so-called "mental disorders."





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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #66 on: February 17, 2018, 12:35:10 PM »
Already spent too much of my life trying to make the blind see, perhaps an impossible task.
You know, the rest of this post is kinda fine, but this right here...
...man, superuniverse2018, fuck you.

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But a few words about psychiatry as it applies for the majority of the population, and I'm not talking about people born with obvious neurological dysfunction:
Obvious neurological dysfunction?

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The issue is covered in some detail on deltoidmachine page, but in my opinion the use of psychiatric drugs to cure mental illness, I.e., the method to chemically enforce obedience to the criminal totalitarian system, actually is a cause of mental illness.
I agree that there are significant issues with the way medication is used to treat mental illness, but 'chemically enforce obedience to the criminal totalitarian system' seems...like, what are you talking about?  Is it your contention that Paxil makes one compliant?  Dystopian future stories are pretty neat but, like, those are stories.

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The disruption of our delicate brain chemistry in the name of medicine with these mind destroying drugs is a tragedy of unprecedented proportions.
"In the name of medicine"
What are you talking about?  In the name of medicine?  Maybe there are some who are pursuing money, maybe there are greedy people out there that are more than happy to shortcut process and ignore facts and push to sell their pills for profit, but in the name of medicine?

You sure you're not just wanting to rail against The SystemTM?  Or, maybe, you just want to, again, act like you are the man with one eye in the land of the blind?  That makes you feel good, doesn't it?  How enlightened you are against us unthinking blind buffoons?

'In the name of medicine' yeesh dude, yeah, I stand by my earlier quip.  You don't fucking care what The SystemTM is doing, you just care that you're better than everyone else.  'In the name of medicine' is such a stupid thing to say and is rather evident that you don't care to understand what it is you dislike about The SystemTM, you just want to be able to say you hate it and that the rest of us are suckers for not recognizing it.

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They annihilate the individual, and transform people into a one-dimensional humans, and in the long term converts people either into killers, vegetables, or suicide cases, not to mention all the disastrous side effects of these drugs on the physical human body.
This sounds an awful lot like someone complaining about The SystemTM trying to steal your precious bodily fluids.

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Here the cure is worse than the disease:


https://drudgenow.com/article/?n=0&s=2&c=1&pn=Anonymous&u=http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/

Psychiatry has become a real pseudoscience. Mental health and normalcy are defined according to the degree to which a person can function and perform in society. It is probably easy to agree what is the normal functioning of the heart and the lungs are. But what about the mind?
I dunno, Mr. 'Obvious Neurological Dysfunction', what about the mind?

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If everyone thought exactly the same would that be a sign of mental health and normalcy? Of course not, it would mean the end of individuality! But what happens when these mental illnesses are CAUSED by the stresses and strains of competitive performance based capitalist society?
Therefore individual cure would be impossible without curing society as a whole.
...what?

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Modern psychiatry has no other standards of value other than the prevailing ones given by society.
k so here I agree with you that this is problem in psychiatry, and I don't know how to solve it.  There is something to be said about the concept of 'social norms' but exactly where the lines between 'acceptable eccentricism' and 'dangerous abnormality' is certainly not clear, and frankly, I would be surprised if 'a line' would be a sensible way to try to categorize it.

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To be a radical or in opposition to this capitalist society must imply that the person is "mentally ill" or a "criminal," for we are supposedly living in the best system of all time, thus runs their logic. WRONG!
Dude you are talking to a card-carrying socialist and no one - not even the hyper-capitalists I know - would consider me to be mentally ill or criminal based on that viewpoint.

...this is more unconsidered ranting against The SystemTM, isn't it?

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But what happens when society is sick? Then mental health would actually be equivalent to mental illness which is hidden from both the individual and their society. For the most part, psychiatry is used to absolve society from its crimes and shift the blame and responsibility on to the individual, i.e., he must have a chemical imbalance in his brain. Not to mention the $330 billion dollar a year industry on drugs to treat so-called "mental disorders."
Yeah I really just want to say "fuck you" again with your whole "so-called "mental disorders"" thing, as, again, it belies an incredible lack of compassion on your part, acting as if some of the problems with how we deal with mental health makes 'mental disorders' unreal and...yeah dude you know seriously fuck you - you really are rubbing me as the worst kind of fucking scumbag.

It's everyone else who are the blind ones, says the dumbass leaning on rambly shit from deltoidmachine and garbage publications like Drudge and World Nut Daily who are, by all means, very, very willing to lie and spout bullshit just so they can make a buck from suckering, well, suckers like you, Mr. "I Am Enlightened and You Libtards are Delusional".  You talk about some vast pharmaceutical-based conspiracy to strip individuality away from people yet, here you are, telling me that you've formed some of your opinions based on the words of known profit seeking emotional manipulators.  You, my friend, are the very thing you are afraid of.  People like deltoidmachine and publications like Drudge and WND have apparently been able to manipulate you, quite easily, by just stroking your damn ego, and they have, quite easily, distracted you from seeing it by dangling shiny keys in front of you and chanting "it's the mental health conspiracy".
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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #67 on: February 17, 2018, 04:19:51 PM »
Already spent too much of my life trying to make the blind see, perhaps an impossible task.

But a few words about psychiatry as it applies for the majority of the population, and I'm not talking about people born with obvious neurological dysfunction:

The issue is covered in some detail on deltoidmachine page, but in my opinion the use of psychiatric drugs to cure mental illness, I.e., the method to chemically enforce obedience to the criminal totalitarian system, actually is a cause of mental illness.

The disruption of our delicate brain chemistry in the name of medicine with these mind destroying drugs is a tragedy of unprecedented proportions. They annihilate the individual, and transform people into a one-dimensional humans, and in the long term converts people either into killers, vegetables, or suicide cases, not to mention all the disastrous side effects of these drugs on the physical human body.

Here the cure is worse than the disease:


https://drudgenow.com/article/?n=0&s=2&c=1&pn=Anonymous&u=http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/

Psychiatry has become a real pseudoscience. Mental health and normalcy are defined according to the degree to which a person can function and perform in society. It is probably easy to agree what is the normal functioning of the heart and the lungs are. But what about the mind? If everyone thought exactly the same would that be a sign of mental health and normalcy? Of course not, it would mean the end of individuality! But what happens when these mental illnesses are CAUSED by the stresses and strains of competitive performance based capitalist society?
Therefore individual cure would be impossible without curing society as a whole.

Modern psychiatry has no other standards of value other than the prevailing ones given by society. To be a radical or in opposition to this capitalist society must imply that the person is "mentally ill" or a "criminal," for we are supposedly living in the best system of all time, thus runs their logic. WRONG!
But what happens when society is sick? Then mental health would actually be equivalent to mental illness which is hidden from both the individual and their society. For the most part, psychiatry is used to absolve society from its crimes and shift the blame and responsibility on to the individual, i.e., he must have a chemical imbalance in his brain. Not to mention the $330 billion dollar a year industry on drugs to treat so-called "mental disorders."
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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2018, 08:32:22 AM »
Already spent too much of my life trying to make the blind see, perhaps an impossible task.

But a few words about psychiatry as it applies for the majority of the population, and I'm not talking about people born with obvious neurological dysfunction:

The issue is covered in some detail on deltoidmachine page, but in my opinion the use of psychiatric drugs to cure mental illness, I.e., the method to chemically enforce obedience to the criminal totalitarian system, actually is a cause of mental illness.

The disruption of our delicate brain chemistry in the name of medicine with these mind destroying drugs is a tragedy of unprecedented proportions. They annihilate the individual, and transform people into a one-dimensional humans, and in the long term converts people either into killers, vegetables, or suicide cases, not to mention all the disastrous side effects of these drugs on the physical human body.

Here the cure is worse than the disease:


https://drudgenow.com/article/?n=0&s=2&c=1&pn=Anonymous&u=http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/

Psychiatry has become a real pseudoscience. Mental health and normalcy are defined according to the degree to which a person can function and perform in society. It is probably easy to agree what is the normal functioning of the heart and the lungs are. But what about the mind? If everyone thought exactly the same would that be a sign of mental health and normalcy? Of course not, it would mean the end of individuality! But what happens when these mental illnesses are CAUSED by the stresses and strains of competitive performance based capitalist society?
Therefore individual cure would be impossible without curing society as a whole.

Modern psychiatry has no other standards of value other than the prevailing ones given by society. To be a radical or in opposition to this capitalist society must imply that the person is "mentally ill" or a "criminal," for we are supposedly living in the best system of all time, thus runs their logic. WRONG!
But what happens when society is sick? Then mental health would actually be equivalent to mental illness which is hidden from both the individual and their society. For the most part, psychiatry is used to absolve society from its crimes and shift the blame and responsibility on to the individual, i.e., he must have a chemical imbalance in his brain. Not to mention the $330 billion dollar a year industry on drugs to treat so-called "mental disorders."

Are you talking about the Medical Model as it relates to mental illness? 

I get what you are saying, I think.

You think society needs to change so there is less profits from drugs designed to cure mental illness. That would fall under the Medical Model concerning disability. It is a form of ableism. The Medical model is responsible for many stereotypes of people with disabilities. The stereotypes are: need pity, menace to society, needs cured, asexual or should not reproduce, ugly, perpetual children, sick, incompetent, should segregate/institutionalize, and freaks.

The Social model acknowledges that social constructs oppress people with disabilities using the Moral and Medical models. 

I am curious, what is your answer to the problem you have diagnosed?



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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2018, 09:06:17 AM »
Already spent too much of my life trying to make the blind see, perhaps an impossible task.

or you are just wrong.

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But a few words about psychiatry as it applies for the majority of the population, and I'm not talking about people born with obvious neurological dysfunction:

The issue is covered in some detail on deltoidmachine page, but in my opinion the use of psychiatric drugs to cure mental illness, I.e., the method to chemically enforce obedience to the criminal totalitarian system, actually is a cause of mental illness.
The disruption of our delicate brain chemistry in the name of medicine with these mind destroying drugs is a tragedy of unprecedented proportions. They annihilate the individual, and transform people into a one-dimensional humans, and in the long term converts people either into killers, vegetables, or suicide cases, not to mention all the disastrous side effects of these drugs on the physical human body.

nothing like complete fucking ignorance.  and using some of the most ignorant and deceitful websites out there as your "proof".
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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2018, 08:16:36 PM »
Maybe you can give some specific examples of this complete fucking ignorance?

The title of this forum is a beautiful example of complete moronism.



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Re: crazy things religious people say
« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2018, 02:52:46 AM »
This had me bewildered.  From a fellow on a christian site. "  Fact pertains to the empirical realm. Truth to the realm of imagination."

And to Superuni2018 who said this "They annihilate the individual, and transform people into a one-dimensional humans, and in the long term converts people either into killers, vegetables, or suicide cases, not to mention all the disastrous side effects of these drugs on the physical human body." Lol. Just like religion, (The mind drug).
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« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2018, 11:55:25 AM »
This had me bewildered.  From a fellow on a christian site. "  Fact pertains to the empirical realm. Truth to the realm of imagination."

And to Superuni2018 who said this "They annihilate the individual, and transform people into a one-dimensional humans, and in the long term converts people either into killers, vegetables, or suicide cases, not to mention all the disastrous side effects of these drugs on the physical human body." Lol. Just like religion, (The mind drug).

classic apologist nonsense.  they can't show their god exists, so they have to pretend that the things that people imagine are true. 
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« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2018, 10:12:56 PM »
Superuniverse2018 here:

Apparently the moderator has decided not to allow me to post what he doesn't like, so I have opened another account, as we are discussing serious issues:


This did not make it through...

"Maybe you can give some specific examples of this complete fucking ignorance?

The title of this forum is a beautiful example of complete moronism."


This member has been banned for violating forum rules and for starting a new account to skirt moderator actions. Please report any new activity from new accounts.

 

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« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2018, 12:52:44 AM »
My guess is that the reason the media didn't bother with mentioning his medication is that mass shootings don't happen in other countries. scienceisproof2000 is coming across like a Scientologist, or New Ager. I'm sure we'd like to hear lots of other imbalanced theories he has.



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