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Offline Death over Life

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World War II
« on: July 10, 2017, 07:33:47 PM »
This is getting to be to huge, so I'm making a thread dedicated to this subject. I have posted a response from another thread to start this off.

Newspapers often sensationalize their headlines to grab attention, DoL.  But when you actually get into the meat of the article in question, it becomes much more obvious what was really happening.  This was a boycott and protest by Jews worldwide as a direct response to active persecution by Hitler's regime against the Jews of Germany.  Yet despite this, the Central Jewish Association of Germany argued against the anti-Nazi boycott because they thought that the authorities were simply unaware of the situation.  This despite Hermann Goring stating that he would not defend the Jews of Germany.

Interesting. When did Hitler become elected Chancellor of Germany?,_1932

So, Hitler didn’t even get to do much before the Jews automatically said “to hell with him”, kind of like the liberal attitude towards Trump right now. I posted this because they have been on Hitler’s throat since before he even decided to run for office. When you are constantly attacked, what are you going to do? You are either going to fight back, or let them kill you. Hitler had to fight back.

Remember, Hitler’s 1st year of office, how did he stimulate the economy? He established the idea of a 40 hour work week, something we still do today. He abolished the idea of interest rates. He helped create jobs via infrastructure with the Autobahn. Perhaps the biggest reason Hitler turned Germany’s poverty around was because he got rid of the international banking system and Germany started printing their own money instead.

The whole point is, somebody said that I was a reactionary. That is correct, because Hitler as well had to respond to these constant threats that were being made to him.

He apparently did nothing wrong to the world as Time Magazine themselves named Hitler Man of the Year 1938.

It wasn’t until the war begin did people start thinking negatively of him.

It doesn't do any good to offer apologies in one post, and then write a post like this.  Especially since you are parroting what you are hearing from other people, which just so happens to coincide with what you believe, and demanding that the person you are talking to has to accept your viewpoint as valid, as you did with Anfauglir just now.  It is posts like this which cause your viewpoints to be seen as racist and radical, not your outraged responses to people calling you on them.  If you do not want people to see you as racist and radical, then you should exercise better discretion when writing posts such as this.

Correction. I made this post before I made the apology. The apology post is more recent then what you have seen. I am taking your advice and step back and thinking about it.

Case in point, you state that Nazi Germany was a racialist movement, not one that saw non-whites as inferior - but that is explicitly false.  Whether you call it racist or racialist, the fact is that it is intended to promote concepts of racial 'superiority' and racial 'inferiority', and as such your claim about it simply cannot be true.  This happens over and over again in your post - you present things which you have interpreted to mean something else, but when others actually review them with unblinkered eyes, it becomes very clear that the original interpretations are still accurate.

This is no different than trying to restate a math problem and getting a different answer, then arguing that the original answer must have been wrong.  It only works if people simply take it as a given and don't check - because when they do, it becomes obvious that the error was in the attempt at restatement.

I can pretty much guarantee that unless you figure this out, your chances of accomplishing anything with posts like these is practically nil.

I am going to quote Adolf Hitler himself here:

Pride in one's own race - and that does not imply contempt for other races–is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them.

Walter Gross:

Dr. Walter Gross, head of the Rassenpolitische Amt of the National Socialist Party, said: "We appreciate the fact that those of another race are different from us… Whether that other race is 'better' or 'worse' is not possible for us to judge. For this would demand that we transcend our own racial limitations for the duration of the verdict and take on a superhuman, even divine, attitude from which alone an 'impersonal' verdict could be formed on the value or lack of such of the many living forms of inexhaustible Nature."

Waffen SS Officer Léon Degrelle:

German-racialism has been deliberately distorted. It never was anti-”other race” racialism. It was a pro-German racialism. I was concerned with making the German race strong and healthy in every way. Hitler was not interested in having millions of degenerates, if it was his power not to have them. Today one finds rampant alcohol and drug addiction everywhere. Hitler cared that the German families be healthy, cared that they raise healthy children for the renewal of a healthy nation. German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble ideal. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves.

And once again, I’m going to quote a black man, Jesse Owens:

It took a lot of courage for him to befriend me in front of Hitler... You can melt down all the medals and cups I have and they wouldn't be a plating on the 24-karat friendship I felt for Lutz Long at that moment. Hitler must have gone crazy watching us embrace. The sad part of the story is I never saw Long again. He was killed in World War II.

On the congratulations given by German athlete Lutz Long, a competitor in the long jump, who in some accounts he credited with giving him some friendly advice that helped him to win against him; as quoted in "Owens pierced a myth" by Larry Schwartz in ESPN SportsCentury (2005)
When I came back to my native country, after all the stories about Hitler, I couldn't ride in the front of the bus. I had to go to the back door. I couldn't live where I wanted. I wasn't invited to shake hands with Hitler, but I wasn't invited to the White House to shake hands with the President, either.
As quoted in "Owens pierced a myth" (2005), by Larry Schwartz, ESPN SportsCentury
Mr. Hitler had to leave the stadium early, but after winning I hurried up to the radio booth. When I passed near the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me and I waved back at him."
Quoted in "Owens, Back, Gets Hearty Reception" by Louis Effrat, The New York Times, 25 August 1936, p.25.
Hitler didn't snub me; it was our president who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram.
About Franklin D. Roosevelt, as quoted in Triumph: The Untold Story of Jesse Owens and Hitler's Olympics (2007), by Jeremy Schaap, New York: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, p. 211
Hitler Salutes Jesse Owens
This athletic contest between the leading nations of the country, is a spectacle of spectacles! Its the greatest thing of its kind I've ever seen. Sunday, I witnessed 110,000 people cheer two Negro athletes, because they were supreme in their field. Monday, I saw another vast crowd of close to 100,000 people go "literally crazy" as they saw Jesse Owens, running with the effortless speed of an antelope, completely dominate his field to win "going away" in the 100 meters, with Ralph Metcalfe of Marquette University placing second. And then . . . wonder of wonders . . . I saw Herr Adolph Hitler, salute this lad. I looked on with a heart which beat proudly as the lad who was crowned king of the 100 meters event, get an ovation the like of which I have never heard before. I saw Jesse Owens greeted by the Grand Chancellor of this country as a brilliant sun peeped out through the clouds. I saw a vast crowd of some 85,000 or 90,000 people stand up and cheer him to the echo. And they were mostly Germans! Make no mistake about it. These German people are mighty fine. They have a spirit of sportsmanship and fair play which overrides the color-barrier. This week, as Negro athletes have sent the Start and Stripes of the United States shooting to the top of the flag-pole on three different occasions, I have observed the spirit, not only of the German people, but of those competing from foreign countries. And I've found out, that in the world of sport, where personal perfection is the measuring rod of achievement, color does not count.
African-American U.S. journalist Robert L. Vann about witnessing Hitler salute Owens, something Owens also spoke about [see 1930s section above]. "Hitler Salutes Jesse Owens", [Pittsburgh Courier], 8 August 1936, p.1; partially quoted in Jeremy Schaap, Triumph: The Untold Story of Jesse Owens and Hitler's Olympics, NYC: Houghton Mifflin Co., 2007, p.194.
The real snub of Owens came from his own president. Even after ticker-tape parades for Owens in New York City and Cleveland, President Franklin D. Roosevelt never publicly acknowledged Owens' achievements. Gold in the 100 meter, 200 meter, 400 meter relay, and long jump. Owens was never invited to the White House and never even received a letter of congratulations from the president. Almost two decades passed before another American president, Dwight D. Eisenhower, honored Owens by naming him 'Ambassador of Sports'. In 1955.
"German Myth 10: The 1936 Berlin Olympics, Hitler, and Jesse Owens" (10 June 2004), German Misnomers, Myths and Mistakes, About, Inc

Straight from the horse’s mouth. This tells me people really haven’t looked into World War II and what was really going on during that time.

Also, I have to ask - why are you taking the word of a Jewish rabbi who was born long after the Holocaust?  Even if he truly believes what he is saying, the fact of the matter is that he wasn't there to begin with, and should hardly be considered a trustworthy source of information.  Certainly not without actual corroborating evidence - which is not newspaper articles written by people who clearly believe that the Holocaust was a full-blown hoax, who take the statement "I didn't see gas chambers" from a single survivor and suggest that it means there were no gas chambers.  Or who claims that the Nuremburg trials were fixed by citing a single unsourced 'quote' and presenting no evidence whatsoever to support it.

How do you know Jesus didn’t resurrect from the dead? How do you know the Temple didn’t split in half and the sky wasn’t darkened? You weren’t there how do you know? Same ridiculous argument you are now using against me like Christians use against us.

Obviously there was a LOT more sources than just 1 person. That was just 1 example because I don’t wish to bother posting a ton of examples when you didn’t even acknowledge the book I posted either, which is from another Auschwitz survivor. I have plenty more sources from Jews and survivors who admit to seeing no gas chambers, weren’t being systematically exterminated etc. Why should I post sources when you ignore said sources? Not to be a rude question, but seriously?

There is no evidence that supports a holocaust when one actually looks at it. Actually I take that back. The Jewish holocaust is a hoax. The holocausts that happened were the Holodomor by Stalin on Ukraine and Eisenhower’s death camps on the Germans after the war and the Japanese American internment camps during the war. What you are looking at on the German side are called prisons and labor camps, not death camps like Eisenhower’s were.

And I’ll end it with a meme quote from this guy:

So the Zionists forced Germany to use violence?

Nazi sympathizers be like

In case you don’t know who Theodor Herzi is, he is the founder of Zionism.

But the 6 million Jews IS the truth. Why deny that? What point does that serve? Does it prove the Holocaust didn't happen because some schmuck inflated the numbers of non-Jews also systematically murdered?

The answer, in case you aren't sure, is "no".

The six million number is a bold faced lie. There were no more than 4.5 million Jews throughout all of Europe during the entire existence of Nazi Germany. So where did the 1.5 extra million come from? This is from the Red Cross themselves:

And to your questions, if the founder of the Holocaust myth Elie Wiesel admits that he lies about parts of it to get people to think a certain way, what makes you think he didn’t lie about the other parts of it? Does anybody also take into consideration WWII was filmed in it’s entirety and yet, no holocaust footage ever surfaced? Does anybody also take into consideration that not 1 leader at all during that war mention anything about Jews or gave a damn about them? Nothing from Stalin, nothing from Churchill, nothing from Roosevelt? Last, what about the fact that the first time gas chamber was even mentioned in history was from Elie Wiesel in the 1960’s? The Truth doesn’t fear investigation.

The Holocaust is the crutch for those in charge to continue doing their destructive deeds to ruin all life on Earth for their own sick games. Once this crutch is removed, which it is, we can finally call out who is destroying our planet without guilt and finally fix all the problems in the world which they created to begin with.

   So the holocaust is some 80 years old, and as a generation passes, the history starts to be rewritten.  I suggest you go into Syria next week, DoL, and walk around the streets and see what human beings do to each other for all types of reasons, your reasons included.  Better if you do it now, before people begin rewriting history.  See if you can find the buildings where people are taking injured children.  You don't have to stay.  No ones's forcing you to integrate.

So, why are we bombing Syria again? I never once agreed to bombing them. I voted to help Assad since he’s one of the only sane leaders left in our world.

A thought just occurred to me after reading your comments today, DoL.

Please forgive me for being a little slow, it's just that your posts are so long and I am a very slow reader but it seems to me that you are simultaneously denying the Holocaust and yet, blaming the Jews for it.

Please, at the very least...make up your mind.

No. I said the Jewish holocaust is a hoax and that Jews were the ones who showed me it is a hoax.

That's assuming that the numbers were inflated.  I noticed when reading the article that it made a lot of claims about Holocaust historians in general, but barely mentioned any actual people making them.  It certainly takes more than a couple of quotes to prove something like that, one way or the other.

For example, a historian named Rudolph Rummel estimated in 1992 that ten million Slavic civilians and POWs were murdered during the course of Generalplan Ost.  Even if that's overstated by half, that would account for the entire 5 million non-Jews right there.  The point is, it is entirely possible that the 5 million non-Jews is an understatement; it certainly cannot simply be dismissed as a fabrication as DoL would have us believe, certainly not based on a single news article with no attributed sources to support the claim that the number was falsified.

And in the mean time, Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that Bush thankfully was aware of and destroyed Afghanistan so he couldn’t use them to attack USA!

The very person who came up with the 5 million number himself admitted he lied about it! How can you be this dense in the face of reality? Once again, you are proving me right from the very beginning when I made the generalization that atheists ignore evidence that doesn’t support their views.

I have an relative who was there when the allies got to the camps and saw people who looked like walking dead.  I guess that is hear say.

You can thank the carpet and white phosphorous bombings from USA and Britian for that in 1944. In them doing that, they basically made it really difficult to transfer supplies almost anywhere, so the majority of people who were in the labor camps couldn’t get the food nor supplies needed, so they suffered. Had the US and Britian not done the carpet/white phosphorous bombings all over Germany, you wouldn’t have received those images.

My wife's grandparents knew folks who died in the camps.  It's not a fking hoax.

Yes, there were those who died in the camps. That is not what we are discussing. We are discussing the idea that there was a systematic plot to exterminate any Jew who lived in Europe and that 6 million Jews died because of this plot using gas chambers.

A good friend of mine, a Mr. Harry Stahlman, who is now deceased, was in the troops that freed one of the camps, which one I am ashamed I have forgotten.  He told me that was when he essentially became an atheist. 

DOL and his ilk are vermin for trying to claim that those people are liars.

And you are vermin for claiming that the survivors of these camps are liars.

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Re: World War II
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2017, 09:56:25 PM »
This thread has been locked, due to being incendiary, dismissive, and one-sided.
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