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proof [#816]
« on: December 16, 2008, 12:30:36 PM »

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Re: proof [#816]
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2008, 02:02:22 PM »
You could have just said, "The Cosmological Argument, as well as design proves the existence of God."

I would reply why but you more than likely will never join us in a discussion.  So why waste my time trying to teach you?
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Re: proof [#816]
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2008, 02:03:15 PM »
You could have just said, "The Cosmological Argument, as well as design proves the existence of God."

I would reply why but you more than likely will never join us in a discussion.  So why waste my time trying to teach you?

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Re: proof [#816]
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2008, 02:13:00 PM »
for the would-be-hell of it?

But I have done it numerous times already and know the argument very well.  It was a good experience the first few times I walked through the argument.
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Re: proof [#816]
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2008, 02:14:37 PM »
maybe you should (we all should) just link to the previous examples of these, then we wouldn't have to rewrite everything XD
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Re: proof [#816]
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2008, 06:46:58 PM »
Haha, I love the final "argument" at the end that if you disagree, you're just stubborn.

Anyway, suppose the Cosmological Argument and Argument from Personal Incredulity were enough to convince me of a Creator God. How would I then convince myself that this Creator God is Yahweh as described in the Bible, and that I should follow the so-called morality of the Bible? The best you can do when conceding a Creator God is to study Creation with science.
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Re: proof [#816]
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2008, 08:59:57 PM »
Well the first slide was good:  Nothing can only create nothing and by the Law of Conservation of Mass-Energy we know there was always a something.

The second and third slides are good... First Law yadda, yadda, yadda, whoa!....

Why in the second and third slides does the creator of this video say the universe is eternal but then in the fourth slide he/she changes to, "science has proven that the universe didn't always exist." You can't claim in one slide the universe is eternal and then in the next slide claim the universe not eternal.

Then in slide five the creator makes the comment of, "This energy source that was present BEFORE the universe...."... wait, I thought we had established that the universe was eternal?  If the universe is eternal there was no 'before' and there will be no 'after.'

And if there was an energy source present "before" the universe or outside the universe, where did that energy source come from?

And I like how the author in one slide puts in parentheses, "because we know the universe didn't always exist) when in previous slides he/she claimed the universe has always existed.

Then the author makes the jump that "this enormous energy was the creator God."  Boldly claiming that this creator must be the deity he/she believes in (which is obviously the Christian god)

Then we go on to complexity, order, and design in the universe must mean there is a designer.  Which of course the author claims that because there is design, there must be a designer, and of course that designer HAS TO BE the Christian god.

And then of course the creator finishes with, "If you can't agree with this logic then you're stubborn, unreasonable, and don't want to believe in the possible existence of a God (capitalized when he/she is  not referring to a specific deity)

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Re: proof [#816]
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2008, 09:06:16 PM »
Why in the second and third slides does the creator of this video say the universe is eternal but then in the fourth slide he/she changes to, "science has proven that the universe didn't always exist." You can't claim in one slide the universe is eternal and then in the next slide claim the universe not eternal.

Yes you can!  Just like the New Testament 'replaces' the Old Testament.
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Re: proof [#816]
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2008, 09:09:18 PM »
Why in the second and third slides does the creator of this video say the universe is eternal but then in the fourth slide he/she changes to, "science has proven that the universe didn't always exist." You can't claim in one slide the universe is eternal and then in the next slide claim the universe not eternal.

Yes you can!  Just like the New Testament 'replaces' the Old Testament.

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