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Re: gays or feminists, biggest threat to Christianity?
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2016, 05:40:31 PM »
I feel that God as I was taught about Him, who loves everyone no matter who they are, would be more willing to treat men and women equally.  Rather than them being seen as property, not allowed to learn, supposed to be silent, and apparently created for Adam as an afterthought. (Forgot to mention that one in my above post).  That doesn't exactly sound "all loving" to me.  Then again, the OT especially was barbaric and weird and confusing (the NT had its moments, sure, but not as blatant)
You were taught about your god by other humans who believed in him, right?  And it would be fair to say that they were taught by others as well, and on down the line, correct?  Can you see the problem that would naturally arise from this?  I'll give you a hint - Telephone.

That's exactly the kind of thing I've said before, it's like a long game of Telephone.  Or, to use a more specific analogy, it's like knowing about Martin Luther King Jr. only from talking to someone who said they knew someone who met him 30 years earlier.  Even if we shortened than to knowing about MLK Jr. only through talking to someone who talked to him 30 years ago, the point still stands.

Related post on this subject for you CrystalDragon:
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,29687.msg700711.html#msg700711
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Re: gays or feminists, biggest threat to Christianity?
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2016, 06:04:42 PM »
I feel that God as I was taught about Him, who loves everyone no matter who they are, would be more willing to treat men and women equally.  Rather than them being seen as property, not allowed to learn, supposed to be silent, and apparently created for Adam as an afterthought. (Forgot to mention that one in my above post).  That doesn't exactly sound "all loving" to me.  Then again, the OT especially was barbaric and weird and confusing (the NT had its moments, sure, but not as blatant)
You were taught about your god by other humans who believed in him, right?  And it would be fair to say that they were taught by others as well, and on down the line, correct?  Can you see the problem that would naturally arise from this?  I'll give you a hint - Telephone.

That's exactly the kind of thing I've said before, it's like a long game of Telephone.  Or, to use a more specific analogy, it's like knowing about Martin Luther King Jr. only from talking to someone who said they knew someone who met him 30 years earlier.  Even if we shortened than to knowing about MLK Jr. only through talking to someone who talked to him 30 years ago, the point still stands.

Related post on this subject for you CrystalDragon:
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,29687.msg700711.html#msg700711

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Re: gays or feminists, biggest threat to Christianity?
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2016, 06:08:02 PM »
You feels it in yr heart muscle.
some skepisms,
1. "I have not seen God. I have felt the invisible presence"
2. What if there is a rock in the middle of a road, a blind person is speeding towards it, ...they say that they can't see it.   Would you recommend him to keep speeding?

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Re: gays or feminists, biggest threat to Christianity?
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2016, 08:02:06 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2016, 01:16:35 PM »
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Re: gays or feminists, biggest threat to Christianity?
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2016, 04:02:37 PM »
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Re: gays or feminists, biggest threat to Christianity?
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2016, 06:42:50 PM »
^The whole terrorism thing is way, way, waaaaaayyyy overblown.  As an American, I am much more likely to be shot by a White Christian Real 'Murikan--or killed by lightning or a whitetail deer running out into the road in front of me--than I am by a scary, scary Islamic Terrorist.  We willingly absorb close to 40,000 American deaths every single year without blinking an eye, so we can keep driving around in cars.  If some White, Christian Real 'Murikan shoots a couple dozen school kids or black church-goers, sure it makes the news, but is it really a big enough problem to make Jim-Bob license his gun collection the way he has to license his pickup truck?  Naaaah, that'd be more inconvenience than the situation merits.  We can take it.  We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

But, if an Islamic Terrorist shoots or bombs a couple dozen people to death, we (especially our brave, patriotic Conservatives) all start running around in circles demanding an omnisurveillant police state at home and the reckless destruction of whole nations abroad.  NUKE 'EM 'TILL THEY GLOW!  WE'RE WITH YOU DONALD TRUMP/TED CRUZ!

There are about 1.2 billion Muslims in the world.  The Terrorists (i.e., the ones that attack us in Western nations) number in the hundreds at most, with a few tens of thousands serving as target practice for drones and precision-guided munitions while fighting for Daesh in Syria and Iraq.  Yes, they're a problem, but with the exception of Daesh, they're on the scale of street gangs, rather than Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.  Daesh is a state of sorts (thus, bigger than a street gang), but it's still a nasty little rabble that managed to carve out a small slice of the Middle East, not the Wehrmacht or the Red Army.  Breathe.  They're not going to take over the world.

Daesh wants the nations of the developed world to assume that all Muslims are Daesh and treat them as such, so that they have no choice but to join Daesh.  It's why they go around trying to pick fights, in the name of Islam, with every nation they possibly can.  Daesh wants to create a Clash of Civilizations between Muslims and everyone else, so they can take over leadership of the Muslim side.  In war, it is rarely a good idea to give the enemy what they want.  Keep in mind that the vast majority of the Islamic State's victims are Muslims.  They represent only one sect of Islam, the Wahhabi fundamentalist branch, funded by our "staunch allies," the Saudi Royal Family.  BTW, the Saudis behead as many or more people to enforce sharia law than Daesh does, and they contributed the lion's share of 9/11 hijackers.  They're the Daesh that won.

Sure, there's much to criticize in Islam, and some (not all) Muslims are deadly enemies.  But we have to recognize their threat for what it is (i.e., a much, much smaller danger than, say, climate change--or rush hour traffic, for that matter) and deal with it accordingly, instead of going into complete batshit panic and playing into the terrorists' hands.   
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Re: gays or feminists, biggest threat to Christianity?
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2016, 06:47:16 PM »
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Re: gays or feminists, biggest threat to Christianity?
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2016, 03:04:38 PM »
^

Sure, there's much to criticize in Islam, and some (not all) Muslims are deadly enemies.  But we have to recognize their threat for what it is (i.e., a much, much smaller danger than, say, climate change--or rush hour traffic, for that matter) and deal with it accordingly, instead of going into complete batshit panic and playing into the terrorists' hands.

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Thanks for the reply.

I do not see it as small of a problem as you do while agreeing that the likelihood of dying from a jihadists bomb is a small chance statistically indeed.

France and other E U. nations are complaining about Muslim no go zones.

Are you looking forward to the U.S. having more than they already think they have?

http://www.siotw.org/news_english.item.415/no-go-zones-for-non-muslims-multiplying-all-over-europe.html

As to the smallness of the problem?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pSPvnFDDQHk

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Re: gays or feminists, biggest threat to Christianity?
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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2016, 06:21:25 PM »
Good idea mod. Thanks.

I did not want to or like to highjack the thread as badly as I did.

Apologies to the O.P.

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