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"God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« on: March 14, 2009, 06:10:53 PM »
I've been away for a bit. Helping some friends put together a new talk forum. We think that the forum has been spotted by, none other than, Glenn Beck. He seems a bit freaked out about the new ARIS religion poll, and... something else. Why the heck would Glenn Beck refer to God as "natures god" in this article. Have you folks been talking about "Nature's God" over here as WWGHA, sinse I've been gone?

The reality? Our site, isn't even off the ground, and it's in the Dittohead, Wingnut crosshairs. Yikes! I hope if they go nuts on us, you Atheists and Agnostics over here, will come over there, and give us a hand. Come on, relax, the people behind the InGodWeTrust forum are actually Agnostic, so you'll be perfectly safe over there.

Check it out. Is Beck freaked out about sites like WWGHA? Or, is he freaked out about sites like WWGHA, being quoted and promoted by sites like the In Nature's God We Trust Forum?
 
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FOXNEWS.COM

God Is Under Attack in America
Wednesday, March 11, 2009

By Glenn Beck

ADVERTISEMENTHere's the one thing: We are no longer "one nation under God" because God is under attack in America.

Even if you're not a religious person, I need you to understand why this is so important and it all goes back to our country's founding.

Before that, most people only believed in the divine right of kings; the idea that God only gave power to kings and those kings were accountable to no one.

But what made America unique was that it was founded on divine providence.

Remember the term "endowed by their creator" in the Declaration of Independence? That was a revolutionary concept at the time and it means that God actually had a hand in the world's greatest experiment in democracy.

Whether our founders believed in organized religion or not, each of them abided by the laws of morality and nature's God, which is why they put that term in the very first line of the declaration.

If you still doubt the founders' views on religion, then just listen to how Ben Franklin described the religion of America... [Yada, yada..spin, spin, spin.]

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Beck's right. There's a War of Reason brewing. You folks at WWGHA, might want to start thinking about whose side you're going to come down on. I can't imagine that you're on the side of the "Cons of the Myth". We'll need all the brilliant minds we can get.



edit (oops!): Here's a link to the Glenn Beck article.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2009, 04:52:01 AM by JII »

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 06:22:24 PM »
Common man. It's glen beck. The nutjob just defended that guy down south who killed his own family via a shooting rampage and tried to blame liberals. Does anyone actually care about this freak? He's not long till the padded room.


But then again, If keith olberman makes an appearance or stops by let me know.

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2009, 06:34:25 PM »
Glen Beck is an arrogant a$$.  Maybe people are waking from their delusion.  That would be a good thing and I am so tired of hearing about out founding fathers and their deep religious beliefs.  That is also a crock.
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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2009, 06:39:05 PM »
Common man. It's glen beck.

Beck is, indeed, just a middle player. But it's all one big social network. Beck > Ingraham > Coulter > Medved > Bennett > O'Reilly >>>> LImbaugh > Palin > Huckabee > Romney. It's all one, big, multi-headed delusional "Christian Nation" cabal. And that cabal, is scared to death of losing "Nature's God" to Deism, the historical truth.

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2009, 06:50:05 PM »
Then be happy. The right wing is eating itself. Moderates have the best chance of actually winning and their being offered up for sacrifice for not being pure enough. It's a circular firing squad you should be cheering because the whole time their driving moderates and independants away.

Long live Palin.
Cheers to O'Reily
All hail to Boss Limbaugh.

May they destroy their own movement. May the purge claim them just before the new movement is born of the soil fertilizer by the blood of moderates. Of course that's likely 20 or so years out and we get to watch them fight the whole time. :) :)

When your enemy is fighting a civil war... Grab the popcorn.

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2009, 06:56:03 PM »
Then be happy. The right wing is eating itself. Moderates have the best chance of actually winning and their being offered up for sacrifice for not being pure enough. It's a circular firing squad you should be cheering because the whole time their driving moderates and independants away.

Long live Palin.
Cheers to O'Reily
All hail to Boss Limbaugh.

May they destroy their own movement. May the purge claim them just before the new movement is born of the soil fertilizer by the blood of moderates. Of course that's likely 20 or so years out and we get to watch them fight the whole time. :) :)

When your enemy is fighting a civil war... Grab the popcorn.

I could not, agree, more. I just thinking throwing a little popcorn, has to be part of the process.

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2009, 07:03:45 PM »
NO!

Throwing popcorn is bad form. Unless you throw at everyone then they know who you don't like. Then they have a champion and might find a way out of this.

You don't enjoy civil wars and offer to moderate the peace accords at the time. Let them fight and die their own battle.

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2009, 07:08:11 PM »
If God is under attack then maybe He should defend Himself (or do we have iron chariots on our side?). It's a sad day for God if He needs Glenn Beck to come to His rescue.
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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2009, 07:15:04 PM »
glenn beck is an idiot. anyone in a space cult shouldnt be allowed on tv

sam harris said it best- mormanism is christianity... plus some rather stupid stuff.
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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2009, 07:22:44 PM »
NO!

Throwing popcorn is bad form. Unless you throw at everyone then they know who you don't like. Then they have a champion and might find a way out of this.

You don't enjoy civil wars and offer to moderate the peace accords at the time. Let them fight and die their own battle.

So, Jon Stewart, Keith Olberman, Bill Maher, should all just... keep it to themselves?

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2009, 07:23:58 PM »
My response is gonna be "Define throwing popcorn".

Laughing on the sidelines is cool with me.

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2009, 07:28:28 PM »
My thought now is that those guys are the popcorn vendors.

Which puts my anaolgy in pieces if you go back to the beginning of it...

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2009, 07:36:38 PM »
My response is gonna be "Define throwing popcorn".

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2009, 07:44:08 PM »
A: Reason is in the eye of the beholder.

B: Weren't we talking politics not lefty's and science?

C: I surrendered before you posted!

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2009, 08:30:55 PM »
Maybe it's time to start making people feel embarassed about being religious.  I mean, its the year 2009, are people really still wrapped up in this?  I know all you atheists out there must be feeling it too.  It's really an embarassing thing at this point.  Ask the question... "Do you believe in God?" If they say yes, give them a gigglesnort. 

The atheism ball may be starting to roll down the hill.  If we arent going to make them feel embarassed about it, at the very least, lets make sure we clear the path for it to pick up speed. 
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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2009, 12:58:45 AM »
Glen beck is absolutely bonkers

however the bloodletting on the right wing of American politics is hilarious I just hope they come out weaker rather than stronger. Ideally I would like to see a split in the republican party between the moderates and the religious right

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2009, 04:26:20 AM »
Maybe it's time to start making people feel embarassed about being religious.

"Blaspheme", expressed with humor, has been around since the Myth began. But, somehow, the "Church" has managed to keep it at bay. Thomas Paine was a master of it, and we can probably thank him for the "Deist" leanings of the other Founding Fathers. Unfortunately, Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly, et al., are trying to revise history to imply that the Founders "intended" a "Christian Nation".

WWGHA (the book and forum) already does a pretty good job in the "embarassment" of Abrahamic religion department. But most of America hasn't really discovered this site yet, and they won't, until they're forced to. So, how do modern, "Enlightened" Americans, get the WWGHA message out there to "most" of America. Simple. They rescue our "Enlightened" Founding Fathers, and their Founding Documents, from the revisionist efforts of the Cons of the Myth.

Checkout Rush Limbaugh's recent keynote speech at CPAC. He's pushing for the "United Theocratic States of Gluttony". Need a good a chuckle? Limbaugh is there to accept their annual award for the "Defender of the Constitution". Pay very close attention at 6 mins 37 secs. Hope you weren't sleeping in American History class, like Limbaugh evidently was.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qtvtBGWgBc[/youtube]

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2009, 07:38:24 AM »
Maybe it's time to start making people feel embarassed about being religious.

"Blaspheme", expressed with humor, has been around since the Myth began. But, somehow, the "Church" has managed to keep it at bay. Thomas Paine was a master of it, and we can probably thank him for the "Deist" leanings of the other Founding Fathers. Unfortunately, Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly, et al., are trying to revise history to imply that the Founders "intended" a "Christian Nation".

WWGHA (the book and forum) already does a pretty good job in the "embarassment" of Abrahamic religion department. But most of America hasn't really discovered this site yet, and they won't, until they're forced to. So, how do modern, "Enlightened" Americans, get the WWGHA message out there to "most" of America. Simple. They rescue our "Enlightened" Founding Fathers, and their Founding Documents, from the revisionist efforts of the Cons of the Myth.

Checkout Rush Limbaugh's recent keynote speech at CPAC. He's pushing for the "United Theocratic States of Gluttony". Need a good a chuckle? Limbaugh is there to accept their annual award for the "Defender of the Constitution". Pay very close attention at 6 mins 37 secs. Hope you weren't sleeping in American History class, like Limbaugh evidently was.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qtvtBGWgBc[/youtube]

Even if I was a true conservative, I couldn't be one of his lemmings.  Those people love every word that comes out of his mouth.  Some of the time they don't understand what he is saying.  They just follow there cues and applaud.

By the way, was there an uncomfortable silence at the end when he said that conservatives aren't racist & homophobic?
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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2009, 08:13:37 AM »
I wonder if Glenn Beck found Rush's 'God Wishes HE were ME" joke, at 3 mins 7 secs, a bit on the blasphemous side? Bet ya he doesn't diss Rush for it.

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I can tell you a joke to illustrate this. Larry King passed away, goes to heaven. He’s greeted by Saint Peter at the gates. Saint Peter says, “Welcome, Mr. King, it’s great to have you here. I want to show you around, give you an idea of what’s here, maybe you can pick a place that you’d like to reside.” King says, “I just have one question: Is Rush Limbaugh here?”

“No, he’s got a lot of time yet, Mr. King.” So Saint Peter begins the tour. Larry King sees the various places and it’s beyond anything we can imagine in terms of beauty. Finally, he gets to the biggest room of all, with this giant throne. And over the throne is a flashing beautiful angelic neon sign that says “Rush Limbaugh.” [Laughter]

And Larry King looks at Saint Peter and says: “I thought you said he wasn’t here.”

“He said, he’s not, he’s not. This is God’s room. He just thinks he’s Rush Limbaugh.”[Laughter] [Applause]

So you see I’m not pompous." [Laughter]

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2009, 08:32:37 AM »
god is allmighty, he can defend for himself, he allready slaughtered bilions of people through history... and now he can't to defend for himself... it's don't looks like god...
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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2009, 08:57:35 AM »


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If you still doubt the founders' views on religion, then just listen to how Ben Franklin described the religion of America:

"I believe in one God, the creator of the universe. That he governs it by his providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this."

Like them, I believe that the true secret to our country's success is the belief that our rights are given to us by God and lent to our government only so they can protect our rights to life and liberty while we pursue happiness.

Unfortunately, we're moving in the opposite direction.

As we move toward socialism, our government is also moving from a renter of our rights to an outright owner of them. That is causing us to lose sight of who the real owner is: our creator.

A new poll says that 15 percent of us now have no religious belief — a number that has nearly doubled since 1990.

Isn't that clever? Beck, twisting history to "focus" on that 15% no religious belief number. In reality, it's the 24% Deist number that he's running from. I've got some bad news for Glenn. Had the poll been done properly, that number would have been even higher.

But, the real slight of hand by Beck, and the scarier thing about this, is Beck's attempt to "hijack" the Founders as allies in their "Christian Nation" scam. It's a crock, and it needs to be exposed as such.

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2009, 09:25:48 AM »
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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2009, 09:57:28 AM »
Quote from: JII
Spreading Reason. Spreading Stewart, Olberman, Maher, Jefferson, Paine, Darwin, Newton, Madison, Dawkins, Adams, Gould, Einstein, Washington, Hitchens, Hawkings, Franklin etc. etc. ...

Feel free to add to this list.

George Carlin, Lewis Black.

How right you are. And, if their comedy wasn't rooted in logical truths, they wouldn't be that funny. Carlin was, and Black is, hillarious. Have you ever noticed how comedy, from the other side, that's poked at "nonbelief", is so difficult, and why it is so, typically, unfunny? Why do you suppose that is? I think it's because poking fun at nonbelief, lacks difinitive truth, and it's rooted in bending and skirting logic, not using it.

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2009, 01:57:33 PM »
Carlin is still hilarious.

When talking about a deceased artist (comedy is art) you keep asking yourself is it still relevant. Carlin will hunt the right for at least a generation. Probably forever.

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2009, 03:52:23 AM »
Carlin is still hilarious.

When talking about a deceased artist (comedy is art) you keep asking yourself is it still relevant. Carlin will hunt the right for at least a generation. Probably forever.

You're right, of course. Carlin's hilarious bits are timeless.

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Personally, rather than see any existing Ten Commandment displays taken down from the "public square", I'd like to see these words chisled in stone, and displayed next to them...

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When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

They could even bl**p the evil four letter representations of caca (as above), so as not offend people that are fourletterphobic. Truthier hilarity, has never been uttered.

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Re: "God Is Under Attack in America" Says Glenn Beck
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2009, 04:08:16 AM »
Quote from: Glenn Beck in the referenced article.
If you still doubt the founders' views on religion, then just listen to how Ben Franklin described the religion of America:

"I believe in one God, the creator of the universe. That he governs it by his providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this."

Like them, I believe that the true secret to our country's success is the belief that our rights are given to us by God and lent to our government only so they can protect our rights to life and liberty while we pursue happiness.

Unfortunately, we're moving in the opposite direction.

Hmmmm? I wonder why Beck chose to use that "Deist" friendly quote from a Founding Father, but left out their sentiments about Christianity?

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved — the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" - John Adams, 2nd President of the United States