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hmmm...... [#796]
« on: December 09, 2008, 08:43:37 PM »
i am sure you get a lot of responses to your website - but i am a little
confused at what you are trying to accomplish here. i think that somehow you
have convinced yourself that Christians make the world the world a worse
place, so i am assuming the less Christians, the better world - and you are
heroically trying to crush the faith of those that is based on watery enough
theology and misunderstanding to be persuaded by your arguments.

Even if you truly believe Christians (or evidently all beliefs in a higher
power) are radically insane, i find it hard to believe you have any
compelling evidence that they make the world a worse place.  spare me the
crusades, and some bonker fringe radicals, i am talking about the world of
effective health and human services which has been lead for years by
Christians.

but let me do something for you if you will allow me, and that is to send
you a book.  oh great, a book from a nutcase - no really, i am sure you have
SOME time in your day to spare.  So grant me this, i watched your whole
little you tube video, will you read a book if i send you one, from an
educated, intelligent, thoughtful man. (no his name is not Jesus)

please send me your address, and i will mail it you for Christmas, see what
i did there?  Christmas, it's a little holiday based on the birth of the
Messiah (or i can only guess you have put it into the category of wide scale
propaganda for the purpose of suppressing the weak.  Oh the irony of true
freedom!)

go well,
[name]

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Re: hmmm...... [#796]
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2008, 10:13:36 PM »
You were very polite and I appreciate that very much.  I didn't make any of the videos, I'm just a member of the WWGHA forum, but my opinion is below.

i am sure you get a lot of responses to your website - but i am a little
confused at what you are trying to accomplish here. i think that somehow you
have convinced yourself that Christians make the world the world a worse
place, so i am assuming the less Christians, the better world - and you are
heroically trying to crush the faith of those that is based on watery enough
theology and misunderstanding to be persuaded by your arguments.

Many atheists have different perspectives, but as for me... I couldn't care less.  If a person wants to believe in a deity, any deity, I see no problem with that.  If a group wants to get together and worship their god or goddesses then so be it, I can't and won't stop you.  But that group must keep their beliefs where they belong, in private homes or in their churches or other places they have built just for the purpose of worship.  I draw the line when religious individuals or groups start mucking around in politics, business organizations, public schools, government offices, and start impeding the research of scientist that "goes against God's will."

I draw the line when religion starts interfering with my life when I do not choose so.  I, as a future scientist, do not want my research or others' research put on limits by any religious individual who will feel it violates whatever their deity said about this or that.  I don't care about your religion, as long as you keep it to yourself.

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...and some bonker fringe radicals, i am talking about the world of
effective health and human services which has been lead for years by
Christians.

But those fringe radicals are the ones opposing stem cell research, a field that could vastly help millions of people from all across the world.  The minority fringe radicals are in control of the majority, normal, everyday Christians.

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Christmas, it's a little holiday based on the birth of the
Messiah

No, it is a holiday taken over by Christians originally celebrated by various peoples from the Romans to the Norse and many others.  Nowhere in the Bible does it give a birth date for Jesus.  The original time of the holiday was in celebration of the Winter Solstice, not the birth of "the Messiah."
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Re: hmmm...... [#796]
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2008, 10:20:17 PM »
I have noticed, as you may have as well, that there are Christians that do things in the name of Christianity that are negative.  Christians that promote bigotry and ignorance.  Christians that advocate actions that lead to harm and even death.  Christians that advocate not caring about this world and who want it to be destroyed in a polluted and fiery apocalypse.

If there were enough Christians that effectively dealt with those problems, I would not have any concerns.  Believe as you want.  As far as I would be concerned, the real world problems would be solved.

Unfortunately, that is not the world we are in.  Most Christians aren't doing nearly enough.   Many unfortunately are actively promoting these negative goals -- from paying money passively to going out and doing these negative actions themselves.  Some of the strongest advocates for those negative actions are the leaders and congregants of the larger Christian churches and organizations; this is not a problem with a few fringe groups or eccentric cult leaders.

Too many Christians not only do not take responsibility, they are leading the charge for these negative actions.  They justify bigotry and ignorance, they justify actions that result in the deaths of others that could be easily avoided.

As a responsible person, someone who cares about the world and the future of humanity, I have to act.  Even if it is not my fault that these Christians are doing harm, it is my responsibility to do something positive.  You can consider it a moral obligation.  If that means that I have to hold up a mirror so that my fellow humans look at what they believe, then I'll take that modest step.  Maybe that will be enough to drain the air out of some of those bad ideas?

My question to you is not what you believe, but what are you doing about the acts your fellow Christians perform in the name of Christianity that spread hate, bigotry, ignorance, pain, and death?
Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons. --Michael Shermer

The history of religion is a long attempt to reconcile old custom with new reason, to find a sound theory for an absurd practice.  --Sir James George Frazer

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Re: hmmm...... [#796]
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 11:25:13 AM »
the closest speculation provided by the bible says that Jesus would've been born in the spring...
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Re: hmmm...... [#796]
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 01:44:53 PM »
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i find it hard to believe you have any
compelling evidence that they make the world a worse place.  spare me the
crusades, and some bonker fringe radicals, i am talking about the world of
effective health and human services which has been lead for years by
Christians.
Does anyone have the stats on which countries are ranked according to living standards (health, equality, crime, etc)?  I looked for it and can't find it.
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Re: hmmm...... [#796]
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 01:53:18 PM »
I'd be happy to read your book, but only if you are willing to discuss it with me afterward.  If the e-mail author reads this, PM me and we will talk further.

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Re: hmmm...... [#796]
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 02:33:27 PM »

Even if you truly believe Christians (or evidently all beliefs in a higher
power) are radically insane, i find it hard to believe you have any
compelling evidence that they make the world a worse place
.  spare me the
crusades, and some bonker fringe radicals,

President George W Bush.

I rest my case.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2008, 02:47:17 PM by Frank »
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