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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2015, 07:07:28 AM »
What the fuck are you talking about?

Go back and re-read the conversation that led up to that point.
Just shows you're not reading what's being said to you.

I understand what Azdgari  is saying.

You do not.

I asked HIM a question.

An irrelevant question within that discussion.

I'm trying to understand how it is that every atheist is not a humanist.

It's already been explained to you. Atheism is about belief, humanism is about ethics.

You're not Nam.  He's the only one that needs special attention.

Well, I'm not sure if this qualifies as an insult, so, out of caution, I'll admit my prediction was wrong.

I am occasionally wrong.  Feel better?

Not really.
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2015, 07:09:15 AM »
You got yourself here idiot.

Look up "self deprecating humor" and "touchy".



Edit: Undid previous edit. I like it better the way it was.

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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2015, 07:19:06 AM »
I have 2 very busy days today and tomorrow.  Court with slumlord on Thursday, DR today.  Need to prepare for court.  I took a No Contact order out on that SOB hypocrite. 

Please while I'm gone someone please explain how atheists are not humanist?  Even the ones that are mean still solve problems w/o gods.  With Human Power.

Slumlord said I was bringing a knife to a gun fight.  I'm bringing a brain to a brain fight.  In court last week the first thing he said to the judge was; "I'm not a very intelligent man".  Beer and religion has fried too many brain cells. &) 
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2015, 07:20:26 AM »
I have 2 very busy days today and tomorrow.  Court with slumlord on Thursday, DR today.  Need to prepare for court.  I took a No Contact order out on that SOB hypocrite. 

Good luck.

Please while I'm gone someone please explain how atheists are not humanist?  Even the ones that are mean still solve problems w/o gods.  With Human Power.

Atheism is about belief, humanism is about ethics.

I propose we repeat this simple answer until junebug72 gets it through her osmium skull.
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2015, 07:25:05 AM »
Atheist have ethics One.  Well some do.  Even the ones that don't rely on human logic and reasoning to solve problems.  Either humans make it happen or it don't happen; except the weather, or do we? 
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2015, 07:33:12 AM »
Atheist have ethics One.  Well some do.

Indeed. However, not all subscribe to any one ethical PoV. There are atheist psychopaths, atheist sociopaths, atheist nihilists, atheist anarchists, atheist liberals, atheists conservatives, atheists against animal cruelty, atheists who don't give a fuck about animal cruelty, atheists for and against gun control, atheists for and against the death penalty... there are even religious atheists, believe it or not. The only thing you can say about every single atheist is that they're an atheist - that they lack belief in deities.

Tell me, do you expect every theist to subscribe to a single system of ethics? If not, why do you expect every atheist to do so?
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2015, 07:34:43 AM »
Atheist have ethics One.  Well some do.  Even the ones that don't rely on human logic and reasoning to solve problems.  Either humans make it happen or it don't happen; except the weather, or do we?

Quote from: Wikipedia
Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).

All humans do things, I think. But humanism is more than just doing things. It is also, as seen in the definition above, a philosophical and ethical stance...which perhaps some atheists simply do not embrace?
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2015, 07:35:02 AM »
Thanks for wishing me luck.  It will be a big big win for me.  It will help my counter suit exponentially.
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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2015, 07:35:54 AM »
Atheist have ethics One.  Well some do.  Even the ones that don't rely on human logic and reasoning to solve problems.  Either humans make it happen or it don't happen; except the weather, or do we?

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Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).

All humans do things, I think. But humanism is more than just doing things. It is also, as seen in the definition above, a philosophical and ethical stance...which perhaps some atheists simply do not embrace?

I can't help but wonder why not?
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2015, 07:37:19 AM »
Atheist have ethics One.  Well some do.  Even the ones that don't rely on human logic and reasoning to solve problems.  Either humans make it happen or it don't happen; except the weather, or do we?

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Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism).

All humans do things, I think. But humanism is more than just doing things. It is also, as seen in the definition above, a philosophical and ethical stance...which perhaps some atheists simply do not embrace?

I can't help but wonder why not?

I think that is a great question.

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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2015, 07:37:38 AM »
I can't help but wonder why not?

Why do people think so differently from one another? We're individuals. It's just the way things are.
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2015, 11:10:17 AM »
Hey Junebug, let's put in a term you'll understand:

I am an atheist.

In your opinion: am I a humanist?

If you're answer is "yes", you still don't get it.

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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2015, 01:24:31 PM »
I am not sure if someone already addressed this, but many dictatorships have been officially atheist, or officially Christian, or officially Muslim, etc. when it suits the purposes of the leader. Dictatorships, whether communist or capitalist, do not generally meet the definition of humanist.

Most dictators, I suspect, are opportunistic sociopaths, or even psychopaths. They will use gods or religion when it suits them, but I doubt they really believe in it. Hitler remained in steadfast support of Christianity as he pursued the extermination of Jews, gays and dissidents. Papa Doc Duvalier of Haiti told the people he was a Vodun priest with magical powers so they would fear him and obey him more readily. Mobutu of Congo convinced people he could control evil sprits (ndokis). Saddaam Hussein was a secular dictator but he faked being a devout Muslim when necessary, even making the hajj to Mecca.[1]

Often there is a cult of personality that substitutes for belief in god and becomes the de facto state religion. Hitler and Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot all relied on cult of personality, whether god-belief was encouraged (Hitler) or not (Mao). North Korea would be the prime example nowadays. There is no god belief, only the worship of Dear Leader. Atheist for sure, unless you believe that Dear Leader is divine. And not at all humanist.

So, no.  Atheism does not automatically carry humanism along in its pocket, or vice versa. I wish.
 1. The fact that his evil a$$ did not catch fire as soon as he stepped onto the sacred soil where Muhammed preached should have been a tipoff that a)Islam is bogus or b) Allah likes dictators.
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2015, 03:28:45 PM »
Hey Junebug, let's put in a term you'll understand:

I am an atheist.

In your opinion: am I a humanist?

If you're answer is "yes", you still don't get it.

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Why are you not a humanist Nam?
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« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2015, 03:32:13 PM »
Atheist goes down like vinegar.  It is a biblical term. ugh  Humanist is original, no bible necessary, no gods necessary. yay!  Well rather it has evolved.   ;)
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2015, 03:45:53 PM »
I like heathen. Sounds like more fun than either atheist or humanist. Like being a drunk sounds like more fun than being an alcoholic, or a problem drinker. ;)
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« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2015, 03:52:03 PM »
I like heathen. Sounds like more fun than either atheist or humanist. Like being a drunk sounds like more fun than being an alcoholic, or a problem drinker. ;)

Since you put it like that hell yea!
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« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2015, 04:19:11 PM »
I had a bad fucking day.  This newer perception of mine is getting me through it.  No gods no spirits needed. Well I could use some tequila but it might get wild up in here if I did that.  I would swallow the worm.

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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2015, 05:57:02 PM »
I had a bad fucking day.  This newer perception of mine is getting me through it.  No gods no spirits needed. Well I could use some tequila but it might get wild up in here if I did that.  I would swallow the worm.



Maybe you should stick to a nice mellow wine.   ;)
It doesn't make sense to let go of something you've had for so long.  But it also doesn't make sense to hold on when there's actually nothing there.

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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2015, 07:26:16 PM »
I had a bad fucking day.  This newer perception of mine is getting me through it.  No gods no spirits needed. Well I could use some tequila but it might get wild up in here if I did that.  I would swallow the worm.

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« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2015, 07:56:20 PM »
I'm afraid it's just coffee for me. I've had some good times with all of the above.  Y'all put one down for me! :P
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2015, 01:51:50 PM »
Junebug,

I can't answer your questions. I have you on ignore. My question was facetious. You seem to not understand that word.

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« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2015, 05:43:53 PM »
Junebug,

I can't answer your questions. I have you on ignore. My question was facetious. You seem to not understand that word.

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Do you think you're special attention whore? 

You ignoring me is all in your imagination.  See I can be facetious.  I nickname you skeptic jr. for dodging.
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« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2015, 06:00:40 PM »
At this rate you'll be the one who's given me half of my smites. Now, does that say something about me, or you?

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« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2015, 07:06:02 PM »
Junebug,

I can't answer your questions. I have you on ignore. My question was facetious. You seem to not understand that word.

-Nam

I'm considering a counter-karma to the smite on the above post. As has been pointed out repeatedly, there is a simple solution to all of the dramatics and name calling.

Put Nam on ignore and stop interacting with him.

If he's on your ignore list, all this aggravation just disappears. By continuing to read his posts, you are allowing yourself to be provoked. You don't like him, he doesn't like you, but you continue to read his posts, knowing that you are going to get angry. You are giving control of your emotions over to a random man on the internet that you claim to hate.

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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2015, 07:08:17 PM »
Junebug,

I can't answer your questions. I have you on ignore. My question was facetious. You seem to not understand that word.

-Nam

This isn't a dodge. I answered your smite because I can read your smites. Sometimes I can read your comments when others quote you or they repetitiously try to explain to you something and I get the overall gist of what you may have said but I cannot read your comments because you are on my ignore. And while there is a button that could display it, I do not push it (that I know of).

Therefore, I am not dodging your questions because I do not see your questions.[1]

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« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2015, 06:47:52 AM »
Junebug,

I can't answer your questions. I have you on ignore. My question was facetious. You seem to not understand that word.

-Nam

I'm considering a counter-karma to the smite on the above post. As has been pointed out repeatedly, there is a simple solution to all of the dramatics and name calling.

Put Nam on ignore and stop interacting with him.

If he's on your ignore list, all this aggravation just disappears. By continuing to read his posts, you are allowing yourself to be provoked. You don't like him, he doesn't like you, but you continue to read his posts, knowing that you are going to get angry. You are giving control of your emotions over to a random man on the internet that you claim to hate.

You can choose to stop at any time. That power is entirely your own.

I'm just having fun.   He's entertainment.  He shouldn't make remarks in MY threads and then say he ignores me.  That is not rational. 

I would thank you for the advice but it seemed aggressive.  There's no way to tell w/o a smiley.  :)

If we want to call each other names and hate each other that's between us. 

He spoke directly at me.  He should answer the question.  He should not be held to a lesser standard than any body else.  Question dodging is a big time no no here at WWGHA.  You should know.
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Re: Are atheist humanist?
« Reply #56 on: March 28, 2015, 06:55:49 AM »
Therefore, I am not dodging your questions because I do not see your questions.[1]

-Nam
 1. $5 she smites this one, too!

I had to smite you so you could see the question.

That's the only excuse you got left, alien abduction.
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« Reply #57 on: March 28, 2015, 07:24:58 AM »
At this rate you'll be the one who's given me half of my smites. Now, does that say something about me, or you?

-Nam

Is it even logical for you to ask me a question at this time?

You have given me plenty as well.  It says something about both of us.  idiot 

I guess we're both fucked up.

I know I have given you some thumbs up so that counters some of the smites but you have never given me a thumbs up; to my recall. 
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