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A Persecuted Christian
« on: January 12, 2015, 04:51:54 PM »
There has been this Christian guy on my (god-hating atheist commie liberal multicultural) college campus standing up on a wall holding a big sign: Repent! Jesus! Hell! You know the drill. As if 1) nobody has ever heard of his religion before, and 2) Jesus is depending on him and him alone.

He is very quiet and earnest, not the crazy shouting type. He has drawn a small following of like-minded or at least sympathetic students who stand with him.[1] It is pretty cold, like in the 30's, so I mainly feel sorry for him if he really thinks that is what god wants him to do.

AFAIK, nobody has heckled him, tried to assault him or told him he was not welcome. In fact, I saw another staff member, an Asian-Am. woman who I am pretty sure is an unbeliever like me, bring him a bottle of water and then return to her office. I am tempted to go get him a jacket or a blanket.

Now, for skeptic and the other Christians here.

What do you think would be the response to a Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or Buddhist person standing in a public place like that with a big sign saying people not of their faith were doomed to hell? Would Christians be bringing them bottles of water and either ignoring them, or listening politely to what they had to say? How long before someone did something stupid and violent to them?

BTW Christian groups including the JW's come regularly to campus and pass out bibles, set up info tables, etc. No other religious groups do this. I have no problem with people expressing religious or other views, I am just suggesting that Christians are not generally persecuted in the US, while non-Christians trying the same sh!t might be taking a real risk.
 1. He has a beard-- maybe he is Jesus...
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Re: A Persecuted Christian
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2015, 05:04:37 PM »
I'm sure if other faiths were being expressed in this manner there would be some Christians who either are openly friendly or at least tolerant. And probably some who would try and start a fight. Based on what you all report on this forum, probably more of the latter.

By the way, I had no idea you were quite that old, to make a comparison between the weather now and in the 30's. You must have been just a kid then?
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2015, 05:30:47 PM »
You so funny. :D
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2015, 06:18:42 PM »
:) MM!
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2015, 11:08:13 AM »
I am tempted to go get him a jacket or a blanket.

Now, see, this is what shows just how much nicer you are than me.  My first thought was to turn a garden hose on him. 

What's true is already so. Owning up to it does not make it worse.

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2015, 11:42:39 AM »
^^^That is probably what he expects and even wants to happen. After all, he is in the den of vipers at a college campus full of sinners and followers of demons. Where is the jeering, abuse and persecution? Why aren't people hostile? We are guided by Satan-- shouldn't we be threatened by his message of salvation?[1]

He is either confused that people are treating him nicely, or thinks god is protecting him. It couldn't be that he is wrong about atheists, Muslims, Sikhs, and people who follow other branches of Christianity. It couldn't be that most people are perfectly fine folks, even without his god threatening to torture them.  Nah.
 1. As I said, I mainly feel sorry for him-- and for his family. They are probably worried about him standing all day in the cold for Jesus. Or maybe they are just relieved that he is not standing in front of the family dry cleaning business with his sign like he did every day last summer. Then again,  they might be on the job for Christ holding up signs at other colleges. :-\
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2015, 12:09:26 PM »
^^^That is probably what he expects and even wants to happen.

Sounds like a win-win to me then. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2015, 03:38:00 PM »
Okay, update on the guy.

Evidently he started shouting and preaching so loudly that people inside classrooms several building away were able to hear him. He is gone now. I wonder if he had to be escorted away by security. Maybe now he feels sufficiently persecuted.

As I said, I feel sorry for him and his family.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2015, 03:51:53 PM »
A christian can feel persecuted simply because the people that hear their testimony don't convert on the spot.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2015, 05:00:27 PM »
Mental illness is a sad thing.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2015, 05:58:43 PM »
Mental illness is a sad thing.

Can anybody identify an objective standard of perfect mental health? I think its arguable that we're all mentally ill, it only varies in severity and symptoms.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2015, 06:08:38 PM »
Can anybody identify an objective standard of perfect mental health? I think its arguable that we're all mentally ill, it only varies in severity and symptoms.

I think mental illness, by definition, significant impairs your life, like having to tie your shoes for five minutes to get it "just right", or else you can't walk in them. Or crawling on your knees around a church until you're bleeding because you made a deal with your god.
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2015, 06:12:45 PM »
I am tempted to go get him a jacket or a blanket.

Now, see, this is what shows just how much nicer you are than me.  My first thought was to turn a garden hose on him.

Turn a hose on him - not punch him in the face? Geez, you're going all soft and mellow in your dotage. You'll be handing out cupcakes[1] to doorknocking missionaries next.
 1. laced with arsenic, but even so
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2015, 06:16:06 PM »
Can anybody identify an objective standard of perfect mental health? I think its arguable that we're all mentally ill, it only varies in severity and symptoms.

I think mental illness, by definition, significant impairs your life, like having to tie your shoes for five minutes to get it "just right", or else you can't walk in them. Or crawling on your knees around a church until you're bleeding because you made a deal with your god.

Yep, significant mental illness impairs your life significantly. Insignificant mental illness does not. I agree that mental illness, as the term is most commonly used, probably refers to the significant kind.
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2015, 06:27:18 PM »
Yep, significant mental illness impairs your life significantly. Insignificant mental illness does not. I agree that mental illness, as the term is most commonly used, probably refers to the significant kind.

How would you define "insignificant mental illness" in a manner that makes it distinct from "non-mental illness"?
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2015, 06:53:52 PM »
Yep, significant mental illness impairs your life significantly. Insignificant mental illness does not. I agree that mental illness, as the term is most commonly used, probably refers to the significant kind.

How would you define "insignificant mental illness" in a manner that makes it distinct from "non-mental illness"?

I probably can't define it without their being some agreement as to a standard against which any departure is measured. I'm just spit balling here. But for the sake of discussion, I would nominate laughing at somebody slipping over and landing in dog poo. Has no significant effect (probably) and would be a very common reaction. But it goes against a major value we cherish: sympathy. The sympathy might not come until we learn the person is badly injured. Until that time, we find it amusing that they are covered in dog poo, even though that would be a horrible thing for the person concerned.
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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2015, 06:58:19 PM »
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But for the sake of discussion, I would nominate laughing at somebody slipping over and landing in dog poo. Has no significant effect (probably) and would be a very common reaction. But it goes against a major value we cherish: sympathy. The sympathy might not come until we learn the person is badly injured. Until that time, we find it amusing that they are covered in dog poo, even though that would be a horrible thing for the person concerned.

I understand your point.
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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2015, 01:24:19 PM »
What do you think would be the response to a Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or Buddhist person standing in a public place like that with a big sign saying people not of their faith were doomed to hell? Would Christians be bringing them bottles of water and either ignoring them, or listening politely to what they had to say? How long before someone did something stupid and violent to them?

This is a quote from a Christian message board regarding the Charlie Hebdo issue in Paris. Many agreed with this sentiment:

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For me, freedom of speech is freedom to praise God, not freedom to blaspheme. That is what I think is its intended purpose. When people choose to abuse that freedom to blaspheme, I find it sad, but wouldn't want my freedom limited just because some abuse it. The attacks in France were an attempt by some to limit freedom of speech.

So, I would assume a follower of another religion would be allowed to speak so long as they don't blaspheme the other religions. It's free speech afterall.

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2015, 04:11:31 AM »
Mental illness is a sad thing.

Can anybody identify an objective standard of perfect mental health? I think its arguable that we're all mentally ill, it only varies in severity and symptoms.
However religion is the only obvious lunacy that is allowed to roam our streets.
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2015, 04:43:23 AM »
Mental illness is a sad thing.

Can anybody identify an objective standard of perfect mental health? I think its arguable that we're all mentally ill, it only varies in severity and symptoms.
However religion is the only obvious lunacy that is allowed to roam our streets.

Don't forget psychiatrists...and mimes.

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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2015, 03:54:24 PM »
And people who like talking to telemarketers. They don't roam the streets, though. They sit at home waiting for the phone to ring, hoping, hoping.
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2015, 03:56:20 PM »
I almost became one of those. I was desperate.

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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2015, 03:54:18 PM »
The guy is back today, with his big sign attached to a really tall pole, like 10-12 feet high. Before he was just carrying his sign in his hands. But god wanted the sign to be taller and lo, verily, a pole hath appeared. He still has no coat on. God hates warm winter wear, apparently, along with teh gay. At least the dude is not yelling. Yet.

I read the sign--you can't miss it now-- and he listed the evil things that Jesus wants us to turn away from, including the expected homosexuality, abortion, fornicating, lying, stealing, cheating. But the one on the list that got me was "unbelief". Huh?

How do you turn away from the evil of "unbelief"?  :?

Seriously, how would one go about doing that?

What I found funny watching his act today is that three Saudi Arabian Muslim guys, a Cambodian (maybe Burmese) Buddhist monk and a Latina Mormon woman were among the students watching. The Saudis are fine with Jesus as a prophet and already agree with everything on the guy's sign, except the part about Jesus being god. They are probably fervently praying to Allah to show the crazy guy the truth of Islam.[1]

I wish the crazy guy luck, especially with the monk.  I can imagine the celibate monk tearing off his yellow robe and embracing the Christian--"Thanks for showing me the error of my evil, peacenik Buddhist [middle] ways, brother! I will stop fornicating and aborting immediately!"

Not. :D
 1. He is crazy, and has a beard. Plop on a turban, hand him a sword and instant jihadi! I wish I was kidding, but he is clearly off his rocker already, and is looking for religious confrontation.
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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2015, 04:54:44 PM »
The guy is back today, with his big sign attached to a really tall pole, like 10-12 feet high.

Actually, it is 5 cubits, yhwh's preferred unit of measure





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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2015, 04:59:18 PM »
The guy is back today, with his big sign attached to a really tall pole, like 10-12 feet high.

Actually, it is 5 cubits, yhwh's preferred unit of measure

Or 4 x pi, for bible values of pi.
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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2015, 06:53:40 PM »
Mmmmm...pie.

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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2015, 01:37:41 AM »
Mental illness is a sad thing.

Can anybody identify an objective standard of perfect mental health? I think its arguable that we're all mentally ill, it only varies in severity and symptoms.
However religion is the only obvious lunacy that is allowed to roam our streets.

Well Bert who resides at Bert's, you go right ahead and tell me how a random collection of cells can be considered to be lunatic.
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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2015, 05:14:10 AM »
put a pound of meat, liver, brain, kidney and lettuce in a blender for a few minutes, then you have a random collection of cells.

the collection of cells comprising a living street preacher, not so random .
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some skepisms,
1. "I have not seen God. I have felt the invisible presence"
2. What if there is a rock in the middle of a road, a blind person is speeding towards it, ...they say that they can't see it.   Would you recommend him to keep speeding?

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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2015, 06:14:47 AM »
I probably can't define it without their being some agreement as to a standard against which any departure is measured. I'm just spit balling here. But for the sake of discussion, I would nominate laughing at somebody slipping over and landing in dog poo. Has no significant effect (probably) and would be a very common reaction. But it goes against a major value we cherish: sympathy. The sympathy might not come until we learn the person is badly injured. Until that time, we find it amusing that they are covered in dog poo, even though that would be a horrible thing for the person concerned.

Mental illness is becoming more verifiable as a physical problem in the brain. For example, the brain of a schizophrenic is formed structurally different, and you can see it in CAT scans, because of a constant lack of glutamine. http://www.schizophrenia.com/newsletter/allnews/2001/ctmri.htm

In the case of depression, there are some theories around that it may be caused virally, and be a process of inflammation.

Psychopathy exists in about 1% of the population, and although it's not strictly a mental illness, because it's 60% heritable and we can see reasons why evolution could favour psychopathy, it's still a profound difference in mental habits, where that person is devoid of empathy, and goes around pretending to be a normal person. This Christian, here, is arguing that a lot of attention-seeking evangelists are psychopaths, and they could be all through the church system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jG9n7fmNoU

Autism spectrum, which includes Aspergers, is caused by exposure to testosterone in the womb (supposedly), and causes a large difference in ability to perceive other's emotional nuances, and consequently a distaste for being bothered with normal emotional customs. People with Aspergers feature in the media, like Sheldon and Bones. People with Asperger's are likely to participate in religion if there is some obsessive ritual they can feel safe with, but otherwise are less likely to see God, because their theory of mind doesn't include looking for God-like events all over the place.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2010/05/29/people-with-aspergers-less-likely-to-see-purpose-behind-the-events-in-their-lives/

Having Asperger's is an impediment to being being Christian.
http://www.scienceandreligiontoday.com/2011/09/26/why-are-high-functioning-autistics-more-likely-to-be-atheists-or-agnostics/comment-page-1/

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