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Interesting things from the Bible [#747]
« on: November 29, 2008, 02:32:49 PM »
I watched your video and you raise some interesting questions. On the other hand the Bible contains some interesting information. It says that some inhabitants of our planet came in contact with this amazing being that we call God. We might not believe that , but some of their descendants were able to provide information about our planet without being able to travel to space and get an overall view of it.  Job says that God suspended the Earth on nothing.  The most interesting thing is the fact that in the book of Daniel we find a description of the empires that we had on this planet, thousands of years before they came into existence. In one case the one of the kings name was mentioned, and the things he was going to do. You can check out the details.  I really would like to get your response to these issues.  I think we are throwing out the water and the baby by turning our back on religion, and we don't have anything else to offer to the millions of people that are born in poverty and see their children die of starvation. The injustice of what we call life on this planet is just too much. The Bible promises a new beginning. That makes sense to all that did not have the best, or in most cases nothing in this life. Please let me know what you think.  [name]

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Re: Interesting things from the Bible [#747]
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2008, 02:36:57 PM »
Lots of what was written in Daniel occured before it was written.  Not much of a prediction.
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Re: Interesting things from the Bible [#747]
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2008, 04:15:30 PM »
The Koran is full of predictions, too.  So, now what?
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Re: Interesting things from the Bible [#747]
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2008, 12:01:43 AM »
There are other ways to help others than believing in fairy-tales.

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Re: Interesting things from the Bible [#747]
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2008, 12:34:41 AM »
If all you can offer poor people is a bunch of false hopes and wasted time then you shouldn't be helping in the first place. Unless you can prove it's legitimate, then it's immoral to put into people's heads. That's like telling them if they just sit there long enough and hope for food it will eventually appear magically. It's more harmful than good.
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Re: Interesting things from the Bible [#747]
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2008, 01:16:33 AM »
I think we are throwing out the water and the baby by turning our back on religion, and we don't have anything else to offer to the millions of people that are born in poverty and see their children die of starvation. The injustice of what we call life on this planet is just too much. The Bible promises a new beginning. That makes sense to all that did not have the best, or in most cases nothing in this life. Please let me know what you think.  [name]

Ah, yes, the question of theodicy.  Bart Ehrman wrote a fascinating book on the subject, God's Problem.  Unfortunately, he's not here to explain it himself.  Darn our luck.

The Bible may promise a new beginning, but it's an empty promise and the world doesn't need it.  If the suffering of fellow humans troubles you (as it probably should), then you should do something about it.  And by doing something, I don't mean "pray", either.  I think it's about time to start a thread on non-theistic charities just in time for the holiday season.



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Re: Interesting things from the Bible [#747]
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2008, 12:08:52 PM »
We might not believe that , but some of their descendants were able to provide information about our planet without being able to travel to space and get an overall view of it.  Job says that God suspended the Earth on nothing.

Not only are the descriptions of the physical world in the Bible exactly what one would expect from people who had zero special insight, they are often blatantly wrong.  For instance, the Bible refers to the Earth as a circle, when in fact, the Earth is a sphere.  So you see?  It's both not insightful AND wrong.  This happens again and again.

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Re: Interesting things from the Bible [#747]
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2008, 01:32:58 PM »
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Job says that God suspended the Earth on nothing.  The most interesting thing is the fact that in the book of Daniel we find a description of the empires that we had on this planet, thousands of years before they came into existence.

It's strange that they failed to note that the Earth is rotating on axis, circling the sun, has a moon that rotates around it, and is moving along laterally with the expanding universe as well as with a changing galaxy. Someone guessed that there are no turtles beneath the Earth. Whoopee.
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Re: Interesting things from the Bible [#747]
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 07:42:24 PM »
Iand we don't have anything else to offer to the millions of people that are born in poverty and see their children die of starvation. The injustice of what we call life on this planet is just too much. The Bible promises a new beginning. That makes sense to all that did not have the best, or in most cases nothing in this life. Please let me know what you think. 

It (religion) also does a swell job of quieting the disgruntled masses who are being unfairly treated so that the 'haves' can keep on 'having it all' and the 'have nots' don't get in their way.

Thank you for pointing that out.
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Re: Interesting things from the Bible [#747]
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 08:27:21 PM »
 
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The Bible promises a new beginning. That makes sense to all that did not have the best, or in most cases nothing in this life.

Is anyone surprised that those who have little or nothing are the ones targeted by this type of scam? 
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Re: Interesting things from the Bible [#747]
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2008, 08:29:56 PM »
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