SevenPatch I am not the one talking about an omnipotent God. You are the one bringing it on the table.
Okay, I have never claimed that YOUR god is omnipotent, please quote where I have done that. It would seem that we agree that your god is NOT omnipotent.
You are the one using a paradox to support the fact that I am contradicting myself.
I disagree that I am using a paradox to support the fact that you are contradicting yourself. I do agree that it is a fact that you contradicted yourself.
Let me break it down for you.
First you say this:
God can and won't.
Please take note that you say “God can”. You have said that your god CAN.
THEN you say:
If he would heal amputees for example, it would create a chain reaction that would destroy our universe.
SO your god CAN’T heal amputees without destroying the universe.
First you say your god CAN and then you say your god CAN NOT. This is the contradiction. YOU created the paradox, not me, I don’t believe your god exists.
What you are trying to do is have your cake and eat it too. You can’t pick both. Either your god CAN’T or it WON’T. Technically, IMO, you picked both and now you’re just trying to rationalize it away as not being a problem. I can’t stop you from believing in an incompetent wannabe malevolent god.
The Catholic Church represented by the Pope clearly stipulate that atheists can go to heaven.
You might want to do more research on that claim. http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/did-pope-francis-say-atheists-dont-need-to-believe-in-god-to-be-saved-9-thi
The Catholic Church teach that following Jesus or God will lead to heaven. It does not teach that if you do not follow Jesus or God you will go to hell.
See, yeah sure, atheists can go to heaven, all they have to do is follow “Jesus or God”, at which point they wouldn’t be atheists then would they be, they’d be Christians.
You can claim that it doesn’t teach “if you don’t follow Jesus or God you will go to hell” all you want, I’m sorry but the evidence shows otherwise.
Perhaps you might want to read your own Catholic Church catechism via the official Vatican website - > http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a12.htm
1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: “He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.” Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren. To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”
1034 Jesus often speaks of “Gehenna” of “the unquenchable fire” reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost. Jesus solemnly proclaims that he “will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire” and that he will pronounce the condemnation: “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!”
1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
1036 The affirmation of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”
Since we know neither the day nor the hour, we should follow the advice of the Lord and watch constantly so that, when the single course of our earthly life is completed, we may merit to enter with him into the marriage feast and be numbered among the blessed, and not, like the wicked and slothful servants, be ordered to depart into the eternal fire, into the outer darkness where “men will weep and gnash their teeth.”
1037 God predestines no one to go to hell, for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance”.
Father, accept this offering
from your whole family.
Grant us your peace in this life,
save us from final damnation,
and count us among those you have chosen.
Dude, are you even Catholic? If you are, you’re definitely not learning from a Catholic church.
That's what I was making sure you knew by asking the question. And, apparently you did not. Now you do
Do you always drift into delusional trains of thought like this? You might want to seek professional help. So apparently you didn’t know that the Catholic Church teaches that not believing in “Jesus or God” will result in the punishments of hell. Now you do