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The Destruction of Abominations
« on: July 07, 2014, 04:36:50 AM »
I was taken by these photos of the destruction of holy sites by ISIS forces in Iraq.



More at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28177841

The rationale is that “They [ISIS] believe giving special veneration to graves and relics is against the teachings of Islam.” In rational, non-emotional terms, this is no different from the destruction of the Buddhas of BamiyanWiki, the exploitation of mineral wealth on a sacred North-American native sites[1], the commercialisation of Ayre’s RockWiki[2] or the looting of venerated objects from some animistic Amazonian tribe.

Yahweh Himself, no less, orders the destruction of the altars and idols of other religions[3].

So what would be your attitude to, say, the utter destruction of the Church of the Holy SepulchreWiki in Jerusalem, St Peter’sWiki in Rome or turning LourdesWiki into a Wal-Mart?

Osama bin Laden was buried at sea to prevent followers from being inspired at his graveside; Hitler’s remains are in an unknown grave for the same reason.

What effect do centres of religion or religious focal points have on the spread of religion and the depth of feeling? Is their destruction likely to polarise populations or is it a move towards freedom from religion?

Is there some point at which these places are detrimental to the progress of a civilised society?

Do we just hope that like the temples to the gods of Ancient Greece, Stonehenge, or the pyramids of Chichen ItzaWiki they will just be abandoned and become secular tourist sites, even though, at present they are likely to create zealots?
 1.  The Court, in the 23 years from 1988 to 2011, has declined to allow federal religious freedom statutes to be used to protect Native American sacred places or the exercise of Native American religious freedom at sacred places. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2011/06/protecting-native-american-sacred-places.html
 2. also known as Uluru
 3. Though, if he were really bothered, why was He unable to do it Himself by use of His usual magic?
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Re: The Destruction of Abominations
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2014, 07:25:28 AM »
The monuments were built and can be studied by historians to reveal important details about their time period; therefore the monuments themselves are important. If we ever need more building materials, for whatever reason, then we can start demolishing things to recycle them, starting with abandoned buildings; not buildings such as this.
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Re: The Destruction of Abominations
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2014, 08:15:56 AM »
The monuments were built and can be studied by historians to reveal important details about their time period; therefore the monuments themselves are important. If we ever need more building materials, for whatever reason, then we can start demolishing things to recycle them, starting with abandoned buildings; not buildings such as this.

How do we know which abandoned buildings will, in future years, give our descendants that insight?

Are ancient religion and unworshipped gods always "cultural".

Are buildings and statues. etc discrete from the philosophies they espouse?

I'm not particularity bothered that some run-of-the-mill mosque or other has been blown up, no more than would I be if some small church in an industrial town were flattened for a supermarket. There are plenty of them around. How many do we need? What singles one out from another?

However, I can see that the congregation of both might be upset for a while.
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Re: The Destruction of Abominations
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2014, 08:30:48 AM »
How do we know which abandoned buildings will, in future years, give our descendants that insight?

Do you have any idea how many abandoned buildings that were built in a certain era there are, and how many buildings from that same era are still being used? The building I live in is about 30 years old, for example. Yet there are many others that were built around the same time that are abandoned.

Are ancient religion and unworshipped gods always "cultural".

Religion, like it or not, is a part of our culture. Our culture is not just about the present; how we got here is also relevant.

Are buildings and statues. etc discrete from the philosophies they espouse?

They are a representation of those philosophies, so it depends on whether you believe representations are separate or not.

I'm not particularity bothered that some run-of-the-mill mosque or other has been blown up, no more than would I be if some small church in an industrial town were flattened for a supermarket. There are plenty of them around. How many do we need? What singles one out from another?

I think one per region would be enough, for study purposes. As for what would satisfy believers themselves, if they're the ones paying for it and it doesn't receive tax breaks, et cetera, they can build as many as they'd like, assuming they can buy enough land to satisfy their ridiculously demanding "spiritual needs".

However, I can see that the congregation of both might be upset for a while.

With good reason, if you ignore the brainwashing they've been put through.
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Re: The Destruction of Abominations
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2014, 07:09:17 PM »
The monuments were built and can be studied by historians to reveal important details about their time period; therefore the monuments themselves are important. If we ever need more building materials, for whatever reason, then we can start demolishing things to recycle them, starting with abandoned buildings; not buildings such as this.
every time I see a standing church on a reservation,my only thought,burn it to the ground
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Re: The Destruction of Abominations
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2014, 07:47:58 PM »
every time I see a standing church on a reservation,my only thought,burn it to the ground

I can agree with the sentiment behind that statement: churches do not belong in places where there are no believers, especially if they are on lands not owned by the church and if they are, quite literally, reservations for a completely different culture. That's like wasting money on Bibles rather than provide people who are starving with food. Oh, wait...
Anyway, tear them down. I'll grab a sledgehammer and help. If YHWH or any other god wants to stop it, he/she/it can come down here him/her/itself and do so.
The truth is absolute. Life forms are specks of specks (...) of specks of dust in the universe.
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