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Job suffered more than Jesus
« on: July 06, 2014, 01:03:31 PM »
Job lost his family,livestock and everything else he had in his life,he had to watch all that he loved suffer and die. Jesus get ridiculed and demonized( for lack of better words) for trying to establish a religion. He hardly suffered like Job did.

 In the end he became a nuisance to the Romans and was disposed of like any other nuisance during that time,the only suffering he did was dying on a cross,like many others did. While  Job endured torture of seeing his entire life disappear,his faith in his God truly tested. Then there's Jesus dying on the cross like a common criminal asking his father" why have you forsaken me"?  It appears Job had much more faith in his god than Jesus did.

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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2014, 01:05:55 PM »
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2014, 06:28:55 PM »
Job is one of the finest examples of human love, selflessness, and integrity.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2014, 06:31:11 PM »
Job is one of the finest examples of human love, selflessness, and integrity.

Given that he's a finer example than Jesus, as proven in the OP and not refuted by you, who's better than Job? Or are you just dodging?
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2014, 06:49:16 PM »
Job is one of the finest examples of human love, selflessness, and integrity.

Given that he's a finer example than Jesus, as proven in the OP and not refuted by you, who's better than Job? Or are you just dodging?

A finer example for what?  How to endure suffering with integrity?
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2014, 06:55:33 PM »
Job is one of the finest examples of human love, selflessness, and integrity.

Given that he's a finer example than Jesus, as proven in the OP and not refuted by you, who's better than Job? Or are you just dodging?

A finer example for what?  How to endure suffering with integrity?

Hm... I'm guessing English is not your first language, or you had a seizure that erased your short-term memory. It's OK, though. Read your post - the innermost quote in this post. Then read my reply to it. Then get back to me once you've figured it out.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2014, 07:43:02 PM »
The backbone of your stupid religion is how much Jesus suffered. Job was punished by God far worse than Jesus suffered at the hands of men. In the last days maybe, being executed can't be fun. I would imagine having your entire life destroyed so God could win a wager to be much worse. And it was God who allows it for shirts and giggles
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2014, 07:59:24 PM »
Did job make himself from himself for the specific purpose of killing himself for himself to go back to heaven to be with himself??
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2014, 08:01:38 PM »
Did god feel jesus physical pain on the cross and was he just talking to himself when he cried out to the father which is himself ..... wait now i am confused.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2014, 08:02:27 PM »
Job is one of the finest examples of human love, selflessness, and integrity.

Given that he's a finer example than Jesus, as proven in the OP and not refuted by you, who's better than Job? Or are you just dodging?

A finer example for what?  How to endure suffering with integrity?
Jesus suffered far less than Job,and upon the little suffering he did turned his back on God and asked,why have you forsaken me,Job never did,Jesus was far less a man than Job,or he new he was not a Messiah.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2014, 08:09:43 PM »
Did job make himself from himself for the specific purpose of killing himself for himself to go back to heaven to be with himself??
I doubt it,so that would make Job's suffering much worse because he had no knowledge or foresight of what was to come. If Jesus had knowledge of what he was for and where he would go,where is the suffering?
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2014, 08:15:05 PM »
Jesus 12 you make jesus suffering seem like a short term inconvenience .
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2014, 08:24:41 PM »
Jesus 12 you make jesus suffering seem like a short term inconvenience .
when you compare it to Job,it was a weekend getaway. For the story to have Merritt ,judas turned him in,and he was executed,not fun I would say,knowing the outcome however makes it nothing compared to the suffering Job did at the hand of his God. For the simple pleasure of winning a wager God punished Job
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2014, 09:46:07 PM »
Job lost his family,livestock and everything else he had in his life,he had to watch all that he loved suffer and die. Jesus get ridiculed and demonized( for lack of better words) for trying to establish a religion. He hardly suffered like Job did.

You forgot to mention that Job didn't believe there was an afterlife, or any point to bother suffering.

The reason Job didn't suicide, I guess, is because he was fictitious, and the author didn't want the story to evolve that way. This is a common problem with fiction - often the characters do stupid things.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2014, 11:00:04 PM »
   This is a common refrain from Christians that somehow Jesus suffered more on the cross than anyone, anywhere or anytime did. And for this he "died for our sins". First of all I can't  imagine that someone else didn't experience the same or worse. Crucifixion was a common practice at the time and there were plenty of other forms of execution/torture over the millennia that we're no walk in the park. I can't remember whose post it was about the Persian torture whereby some unfortunate individual was wrapped up in a blanket and thrown into a swamp alive to rot to death.
     Secondly is the idea that hey Jesus didn't die after all but is alive and we'll up in heaven no worse for wear. You know the quote: Jesus didn't die for our sins he just had a really bad weekend for our sins.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2014, 11:40:36 PM »
Job lost his family,livestock and everything else he had in his life,he had to watch all that he loved suffer and die. Jesus get ridiculed and demonized( for lack of better words) for trying to establish a religion. He hardly suffered like Job did.

You forgot to mention that Job didn't believe there was an afterlife, or any point to bother suffering.

The reason Job didn't suicide, I guess, is because he was fictitious, and the author didn't want the story to evolve that way. This is a common problem with fiction - often the characters do stupid things.
being that he was praying to the vengeful Jewish God,no afterlife there,no reuniting with his wife and kids in the afterlife.......just God going full length with someone's entire life for a wager
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2014, 01:38:31 AM »
What is so bad about enduring through suffering? Would the atheists prefer the motto of, "When things get too hard, just quit?"

Job didn't quit.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2014, 02:00:54 AM »
Much as it's been interesting having Skep here I do tend to agree with Natlegend about Skep's posting here. Once again he has deliberately avoided the question, I don't think Christians are as bad as this.
I know we need more Christians to take part here, but I think he's an atheist trying to take the p*ss
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2014, 02:03:14 AM »
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2014, 02:14:41 AM »
Cmon guys, stay on topic. If you can't refute it, don't just say "He's lying!"
It looks like you don't have a rebuttal when you do that.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2014, 02:46:53 AM »
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Matthew 10:22 "and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved." - An example of a clearly demonstrably false biblical 'prophesy'.

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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2014, 08:19:20 AM »
Oh yeah?  Did Jesus get a set of super-hot 2.0 daughters given to him after the Resurrection?  Yeah, I didn't think so.  Job's Consolation Prize Replacement Daughters must have been worth a fortune on B.C.-Bay.  Sure, Jesus got to start a zombie apocalypse[1] and say "Beam me up, Scotty" in Aramaic, but *ahem, cultural context, blahblahblahmumblemumble* Job still came out ahead.  IN YOUR FACE, 12 MONKEYS, IN YOUR FA--


...Oh, wait.  Jesus got crowned undisputed dread Lord and Master of the entire Universe for all eternity.  Every comic book supervillain's favorite wet dream.  Neeeeeeeverrrrrrrrrmiiiiind.  *sneaks away whistling innocently*
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2014, 09:26:36 AM »
Cmon guys, stay on topic.

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It looks like you don't have a rebuttal when you do that.

No one said you were lying.  They said you missed the point of the post (and/or dodged the actual topic).  Which you did.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2014, 09:28:45 AM »
   This is a common refrain from Christians that somehow Jesus suffered more on the cross than anyone, anywhere or anytime did. And for this he "died for our sins". First of all I can't  imagine that someone else didn't experience the same or worse. Crucifixion was a common practice at the time ...

pssshhh HELZ YEAH.  I mean, it took Jesus H what, three hours to die?  It was common practice to break the legs of crucifixion victims when they were taking too long to suffocate (for those of you who don't know that's how crucifixion kills ya), so clearly others suffered more than he did.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2014, 09:31:23 AM »
If you can't refute it, don't just say "He's lying!"
It looks like you don't have a rebuttal when you do that.

If you can't refute it, don't just lie about what other people said.
It looks like you don't have a rebuttal when you do that.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2014, 10:08:17 AM »
Job is one of the finest examples of human love, selflessness, and integrity.

This is a terrible post.  You just throw out an opinion without any explanation or support.  For the record, nobody cares about anyone else's dumb opinions.  We care about the the rationale and facts behind the opinion.  So either include that information in your post, or don't bother posting.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2014, 10:33:54 AM »
Job is one of the finest examples of human love, selflessness, and integrity.

Given that he's a finer example than Jesus, as proven in the OP and not refuted by you, who's better than Job? Or are you just dodging?

A finer example for what?  How to endure suffering with integrity?

Hm... I'm guessing English is not your first language, or you had a seizure that erased your short-term memory. It's OK, though. Read your post - the innermost quote in this post. Then read my reply to it. Then get back to me once you've figured it out.

Endurance in suffering is not the only measure of man's love, selflessness, and integrity.  The scritptures don't say Christ came to suffer more than any other human has ever suffered.  They say he came to bare witness to the truth.  (Jn 18:37)

Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2014, 10:38:37 AM »
Job is one of the finest examples of human love, selflessness, and integrity.

This is a terrible post.  You just throw out an opinion without any explanation or support.  For the record, nobody cares about anyone else's dumb opinions.  We care about the the rationale and facts behind the opinion.  So either include that information in your post, or don't bother posting.

The rationale is already known.  It's Job's suffering while keeping his integrity before God.  The claim being made is that because he suffered more than Christ that makes him better than Christ.
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Re: Job suffered more than Jesus
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2014, 10:38:53 AM »
Endurance in suffering is not the only measure of man's love, selflessness, and integrity.

Then what is? Because that's pretty much the only description we get from Job in the Bible (in fact, that's his story - endurance in the face of total and complete loss), and you said he was one of the finest examples of those things. Or could it be that... *gasp* you're making it up as you go along??? Nah, you wouldn't do that... Intellectual honesty means a lot to theists, especially Jehovah's Witnesses. Your religion certainly doesn't lie about various subjects, like the number of followers it has.

The scritptures don't say Christ came to suffer more than any other human has ever suffered.  They say he came to bare witness to the truth.  (Jn 18:37)

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