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Christians; Why Does The Bible Need Metaphors?
« on: May 29, 2014, 03:19:29 AM »
The bible as I understand it is Biblegod's 'Manual For Living'. Why does it need metaphors? This seems to only complicate things resulting in some Christians taking a literal view of Genesis for example and some thinking it is metaphorical.
Aircraft engineering manuals do not use metaphors because that would leave the way open for 'interpretation' and consequently smoking holes in farmer's fields. I'm not aware of medical textbooks using metaphor. Examples yes, metaphor no.

So Christians, please state an instance in the bible where a clear instruction or fact could be improved upon by removing the clear instruction or fact and replacing it with metaphor. Feel free to quote biblical metaphors where a clear cut instruction or fact would not suffice.
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Re: Christians; Why Does The Bible Need Metaphors?
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2014, 03:21:45 AM »
The Bible can't be improved, Ron Jeremy. It's already perfect.
Or so christians claim. Either that or:
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 1. This last sentence will be implied; not stated outright.
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Re: Christians; Why Does The Bible Need Metaphors?
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2014, 03:27:11 AM »
The Bible can't be improved, Ron Jeremy. It's already perfect.

Then I look forward to reading water tight explanations of how metaphors just have to be used instead of clear cut facts  :)
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Re: Christians; Why Does The Bible Need Metaphors?
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2014, 03:36:32 AM »
The Bible can't be improved, Ron Jeremy. It's already perfect.

Then I look forward to reading water tight explanations of how metaphors just have to be used instead of clear cut facts  :)

I'm sure the arguments will be perfectly perfect, without a single fallacy or inconsistency in them. &)
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Re: Christians; Why Does The Bible Need Metaphors?
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2014, 06:21:00 PM »
The book of Hosea is a metaphor that highlights God's love. What communicates love better? Saying I really really really..... really love you and quantitatively having more "really"s. Or do actions speak louder than words and so God orchestrates a real life analogy of how much He loves aka the book of Hosea. That's just one example, there could be plenty more (dying on a cross is one more) but id say in general love is better communicated via metaphor as opposed to cold calculated precise statement.

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Re: Christians; Why Does The Bible Need Metaphors?
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2014, 06:24:25 PM »
The book of Hosea is a metaphor that highlights God's love. What communicates love better? Saying I really really really..... really love you and quantitatively having more "really"s. Or do actions speak louder than words and so God orchestrates a real life analogy of how much He loves aka the book of Hosea. That's just one example, there could be plenty more (dying on a cross is one more) but id say in general love is better communicated via metaphor as opposed to cold calculated precise statement.

Actions are not metaphors. They are demonstrations of emotions. If you need to express a metaphor through your actions, you're not communicating very efficiently.
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Re: Christians; Why Does The Bible Need Metaphors?
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2014, 09:38:30 AM »
The book of Hosea is a metaphor that highlights God's love. What communicates love better? Saying I really really really..... really love you and quantitatively having more "really"s. Or do actions speak louder than words and so God orchestrates a real life analogy of how much He loves aka the book of Hosea. That's just one example, there could be plenty more (dying on a cross is one more) but id say in general love is better communicated via metaphor as opposed to cold calculated precise statement.

Yes, actions speak louder than words.

You realize that metaphors are still words, right?
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Re: Christians; Why Does The Bible Need Metaphors?
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2014, 02:29:13 PM »
The book of Hosea is a metaphor that highlights God's love. What communicates love better? Saying I really really really..... really love you and quantitatively having more "really"s. Or do actions speak louder than words and so God orchestrates a real life analogy of how much He loves aka the book of Hosea. That's just one example, there could be plenty more (dying on a cross is one more) but id say in general love is better communicated via metaphor as opposed to cold calculated precise statement.

Yes, actions speak louder than words.

You realize that metaphors are still words, right?

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Re: Christians; Why Does The Bible Need Metaphors?
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2014, 03:41:32 PM »
The book of Hosea is a metaphor that highlights God's love. What communicates love better? Saying I really really really..... really love you and quantitatively having more "really"s. Or do actions speak louder than words and so God orchestrates a real life analogy of how much He loves aka the book of Hosea. That's just one example, there could be plenty more (dying on a cross is one more) but id say in general love is better communicated via metaphor as opposed to cold calculated precise statement.

I'm no expert on the book of Hosea, but from what I understand; Biblegod is pissed because some Israelites have stopped worshipping him and are instead worshipping Baal and breaking Biblegod's orders. Biblegod has two main options here from what I can see;

Option 1. Appear in front of the Israelites to remind them he still exists, show a Bluray on a massive screen detailing exactly what he's done for Israel and why they should worship him. Explain clearly why they have to go through shitty lives and what he'll do for them when they die.

Option 2. Persuade some bloke to marry some poor woman who has been given a bad reputation by men in the hope some people will see this as a metaphor for how much He loves the Israelites. Have the first born son named after some valley in the hope that people would understand this was a statement about His feelings for some kingdom. Persuade them to have a second daughter and her name will be a metaphor for how He likes some people and doesn't like others (although none of this is very clear and open to the old 'interpretation'). Then persuade them to have another child who's name is meant to be interpreted as some other message.

Yes. Yes I can see how Option 2 would be the best way to pass a message. *Rolls eyes*
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