Well sticking to the right to life. After birth it has rights. If it is born 1 month early it has rights. Physically an 8 month Fetus (we will stick with the word you can deal with) is no different than baby born in the 8th month. Why does it magically get the right to life at the same stage of development because it resides outside?
Because the circumstances are different? Why does a man holding a gun on someone lose the right to live while that same man, not holding the gun anymore, doesn't?
Well I am sure you find anti gay marriage legislation, As stated we all have things we find wrong with the law. I think a fetus that is indestinguishable from a baby has a right to life.
But it is not
indistinguishable from a baby. That's the whole point. I'll explain more below.
You are playing word games. Excluding residence, can you tell me the destinguishing features of an 8 month old Fetus and a baby born at 8 months gestation?
Excluding their theistic beliefs, can you tell me the distinguishing features of a theist and an atheist?
You see why your point is moot (and that's the nicest way I can put it)? If you ignore the differences, obviously
things will be the same. What you're saying is this:
P has X features in common with Q and Y different features. If you ignore Y, P=Q.
Which is illogical. You can't toss out the differences and just go "OMG! They're exactly the same!"
I think the onus is now on you to show me examples of countries that do not confer rights on fetus at some point during gestation.
They're what's known as "third-world countries", so I think you'll dismiss them.
As for your mincing of words again. America when used all by its lonesome usually refers to the United States of America. I am sure you knew this. If not perhaps you need to work on expanding your horizons.
I am well aware of that. I am also aware that I said this:
I say "USA doesn't count", you say "America". Unless you're referring to the continent, in which case I'll need to see one link per country in America, I'm beginning to question your reading comprehension.
Bold mine for emphasis.
I think the last bit of the last sentence applies here as well.
Off-topic: I am also aware that what a lot of the world refers to as "North" and "South" America is simply called "America" by every geography teacher I've ever heard of.
formerly they were 28 weeks
I don't know about you but sometimes we need to make decsions in less than 6 months. Perhaps before killing something one should make the decision before it can potentially survive outside of you.
Or... you know, give women the freedom to do with their
bodies as they
wish and not as you
wish just because you're trying to protect what she thinks is a mistake and make her go through a very painful and potentially deadly
(yes, labor can be deadly both to women and fetuses) procedure.
Tell me, do you also apply this decision when the fetus (once it's born and becomes a baby) is sick in a way that doesn't affect its brain? You know, something like dimorphism or Harlequin-type ichthyosis, which can be fatal (not a death sentence nowadays thanks to science) and very, very
painful to the baby (remember; it's been born by now), parents, nurses, doctors, and just about everyone that sees it and can feel empathy or hear its screams of pain (which, even if you feel no empathy, will give you a headache).
Well actually Babies can pee and poop prior to birth,
Either they're babies or they're prior to birth, so this does not compute. However, assuming you meant "fetuses", I'll have to admit to using a little hyperbole there. Yes, technically speaking, fetuses do pee and poop. However, their urine gets reabsorbed into their bodies and mixes with the amniotic fluid. Poop, however, is somewhat (IMO; not in the opinion of the writer of the article I'll link you to) rare. Only 12% of fetuses poop in the womb, and doing so is very dangerous for it.
I believe that it is well known that Fetuses can think at a babies level, learning mom and dads voice has been documented in utero, some personallity traits are supposed to begin forming in later stages of pregnency. An 8 month old fetus is sentient it has more than feeling, it has thoughts, dreams, so it is definitely sentient.
Gonna have to see links to this.
I am confident that bacteria and krill do not dream, an octopus's arms are not sentient
Their arms catch food and try to feed the body, even when there's no body to feed. This may not be sentience (they're not self-aware), but they are
(First off an octopus's arms are called tentacles and they are not viable on their own.)
One of the (male) octopus's arms is actually its penis, which is why I said "arms". In addition, octopuses can walk under water. Not kidding; google it. They bend their arms in such a manner that resembles feet, raise their other arms, and walk along the sea floor.
As for comparison to plants I am not sure you can compare a mamalian life cycle to a plant but a seed would be much more aptly compared to a blastocyst, a seedling would be akin to a fetus. I was just at Lowes and seeds are much less valuable than seedlings. Young plants are worth more than seedlings and finally old plants are worth less Try to sell a 5 foot tomato plant with fruit on it:)
So, by your logic, better put everyone in prison. They might all become killers. Potential is worth more than actual accomplishments.
EDIT: Fixed quotes (thanks, sctrewtape).