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atheists not unite
« on: May 09, 2014, 03:54:27 PM »
I hope atheists never become more than a loose collection of individuals that share some overlapping views. the reason is that unification brings hierarchy and politics and scandal and stereotyping .

theists would love nothing more than to accuse us of being just another religion and point out differences and inconsistencies in our "belief system".

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Re: atheists not unite
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2014, 04:01:21 PM »
Organization is the best way to enforce laws such as separation of church and state in the USA and make vaccinations seem like a good thing, not to mention prevent deaths by "loving" parents who beat their children to death, or just let them die, all because of their god(s).
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Re: atheists not unite
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2014, 04:37:39 PM »
Freedom from religion advocates and church/state separatists should imo be specifically atheist sam vax. they should imo consist of moral educated peeps that could be theists, atheists, deists, spiritualists......pretty much anyone with a brain and morality.
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Re: atheists not unite
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2014, 04:44:05 PM »
Freedom from religion advocates and church/state separatists should imo be specifically atheist sam vax. they should imo consist of moral educated peeps that could be theists, atheists, deists, spiritualists......pretty much anyone with a brain and morality.

I have no idea what the part I put in bold means. Are you trying to say someone's name? Or did you misspell an expression?

See, this is why you should take your time to write things properly before you try to communicate. Because we end up in situations such as this. If you can't write properly, learn the language you're tying to communicate in well enough to be able to write properly.
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Re: atheists not unite
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2014, 04:49:50 PM »
Same vax as in same argument for vaccination.....we good now?
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Re: atheists not unite
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2014, 04:58:45 PM »
Same vax as in same argument for vaccination.....we good now?

In the sense that I understand what you mean, yes. However, your claim makes no sense. To ostracize theists for being theists when they're trying to help is illogical and, quite frankly, stupid. It's counterproductive. You might as well have ostracized white people when they were fighting to free the slaves.
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Re: atheists not unite
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2014, 05:44:45 PM »
Given groups allow for more action and better unity, I hope organization continues to a comfortable extent. I hope a barrier of sorts exists though, so as to prevent the aforementioned negativities that comes with group dependency. United we stand, too united we fall.
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Re: atheists not unite
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2014, 06:17:26 AM »
eh! I am a theist and I believe adamantly in the separation of church and state.  That's because I detest religion.
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Re: atheists not unite
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2014, 06:40:26 AM »
Good a reason as any ^
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Re: atheists not unite
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2014, 07:55:48 AM »
Everyone should favor church/state separation, as the alternative is likely a theocracy, which will not go well for Christians. The fact that many Christians don't seem to recognize the differences between their own sects should be enough to make all of them shudder at the idea of one sect getting their way over all others. Unless they mistakenly believe they will all just get along...bwa ha ha ha ha...

Anyway, one area where atheists can and should unite is in the voting booths. Look at candidates and vote for those without a religious agenda. People who get into government roles with the intent of "bringing god back" or "returning to Judeo Christian values" need to be marginalized (voted out) out of the public eye. Those ideas are anchors for religious zealots to impart their "perceived moral superiority" upon citizens through legislation. I recognize that many politicians are believers, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to use their religion to oppress others.

Another area where we could unite is in marginalizing the overt religious culture heaped upon anyone in eyesight or earshot. In other words, working to make public proselytizing an embarrassing endeavor, at the very least. I know that the Westboro group is still doing their nasty stuff, but it is well publicized that they are a hate group, and lots of people have recognized that they have no place in the public space. Like the KKK rallies, these will die off (become marginalized to the point they are no longer effective). We can and should, in my opinion, find ways to marginalize the hateful and bigoted side of some religious people and groups. We can and should make them feel uncomfortable, or at the very least ineffective, when they try to use their "free speech" to suppress and stomp on equal rights.




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Re: atheists not unite
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2014, 06:13:30 PM »
Very simple -- all atheists don't believe the same thing any more than all theists do, so why would they unite?

The things "we" have in common are just human concerns, not atheist concerns.
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Re: atheists not unite
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2014, 06:38:13 PM »
The things "we" have in common are just human concerns, not atheist concerns.

Nicely said.
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