In one thread in the old forum, DTE was kicking the asses of 3 or 4 xians at once with his SPAG challenge. In the midst of it all, a xian named bsdman suggested DTE was wrong about Isaiah 45:7 saying yhwh created good and evil. He used the common apologetic that the word was not "evil" it was "woe" or "calamity" or "darkness".
I found his response. Here it is for posterity:
Isaiah 45:7 “evil” vs “woe”http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum/index.php?topic=4871.msg79324#msg79324
I'm not going to allow my thread to be hijacked by bsdman, but since he implied I ducked him elsewhere and injected a verse that he disregards (viz a viz point 1), I'm going to address God's creation of evil as testified by his prophet.
Seriously - I already addresed DTE earlier error in quoting Isaiah 45:7 - he quoted the word "evil", which should have been "woe" and/or "darkness". Huge difference. He already may have an errant view of Christianity if he thinks God created evil.
Um... no, I don't. First of all, I was quoting the KJV bible, so your (errant) beef is with those men, not with me. However...
The word translated evil in Isaiah 45:7 is ra'. You might recognize it better from Genesis 2:9: "And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."
Same word. Do you submit to me that it should be the tree of good and woe?
How about Genesis 6:5, when God was sorry for having made the world and decided to destroy it by flood:
"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."
Same word. Do you submit to me that it should be "thoughts of his heart was only woe continually?"
How about Genesis 13:13, discussing the sodomites whom God destroyed by fire - "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly."
Same word. Do you submit that it should be "the men of Sodom were woeful and sinners?"
What about create? Well, that's the word bara', which always has God as it's subject. So not only did God create ra', God bara' ra'. He created evil, in only the way God can create.
Here are some bible examples:
Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. "
Genesis 5:1 - "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; "
Amos 4:13 - "For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, The LORD, The God of hosts, is his name."
God creates evil, because only he can create it.