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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #174 on: May 24, 2014, 06:03:00 AM »
Many reasons, expansion, microwave background, relativistic doppler, recently measured gravitational waves, absence of light in the night sky.....pick up a physics book.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #175 on: May 24, 2014, 06:14:04 AM »
Many reasons, expansion, microwave background, relativistic doppler, recently measured gravitational waves, absence of light in the night sky.....pick up a physics book.


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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #176 on: May 24, 2014, 06:24:02 AM »
No you got it the wrong way round....things created the big bang, Einstein ripped off others work. I did read the biography ....of the universe, its called physics, try it. might clean all that gunk that is between your ears out.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #177 on: May 24, 2014, 06:47:50 AM »
Many reasons, expansion, microwave background, relativistic doppler, recently measured gravitational waves, absence of light in the night sky.....pick up a physics book.


So it is falsifiable in principal, it has not been demonstrated, just like my theory, I'm upgrading.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #178 on: May 24, 2014, 06:53:45 AM »
Yes all falsifiable theories are falsifiable and what hasn't been demonstrated. yes go update your theory it has been almost 2 minutes, must keep it current ie make it up as you go along.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #179 on: May 24, 2014, 07:01:13 AM »
No you got it the wrong way round....things created the big bang, Einstein ripped off others work. I did read the biography ....of the universe, its called physics, try it. might clean all that gunk that is between your ears out.

What things?  Things created God?  What's the difference eh!?

I don't have gunk between my ears but thanks for caring. awwwwwww

I study physics on the Science Channel. ;)  What am I to replace my happiness with eh!?  Happiness is not gunk. Whut? :? :? :? :P

I learn some things here too.   happy thoughts happy thoughts I'm flying I'm flying... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #180 on: May 24, 2014, 07:06:39 AM »
Yes all falsifiable theories are falsifiable and what hasn't been demonstrated. yes go update your theory it has been almost 2 minutes, must keep it current ie make it up as you go along.

I don't think you take yourself seriously.  Why should I?
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #181 on: May 24, 2014, 07:21:13 AM »
You get your science from tv and youtube oh fer... yes i am serious, i seriously don't give a fuk how you take it.


don't remove the gunk you will disappear. do you think you are owed happiness.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #182 on: May 24, 2014, 08:25:20 AM »
You get your science from tv and youtube oh fer... yes i am serious, i seriously don't give a fuk how you take it.


don't remove the gunk you will disappear. do you think you are owed happiness.

and WWGHA, you one out.  I desire happiness.  Yes I deserve it and so do you.  I think we all do.  It used to be about shelter, food and water; physical needs.  Now it's about happiness/emotionaal and how that relates to our health.  A world of happy people would be a fantastically awesome place to raise families.   Oh What a Wonderful World lalalalala....
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #183 on: May 24, 2014, 08:31:41 AM »
No offence but you are one stupid hippy. your last post makes me so unhappy, why are you doing this to me.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #184 on: May 24, 2014, 10:29:28 AM »
Alright, can you please lay off the insults, eh!? It's one thing to disagree and to point out the reasons why, but personal attacks are uncalled for.

I would come to your defense if the same was done to you, or any other poster for that matter (with the exception of perhaps two particular theists whose opinions I find particularly abhorrent. You know who you are).
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #185 on: May 24, 2014, 01:00:58 PM »
The "big bang" is falsifiable.

How so?

Ignoring eh!'s unfortunate comments, he is right about the Big Bang theory being falsifiable.
The Big Bang theory makes several predictions. It predicted the cosmic background radiation (CBR), among other things. Not only that, but it predicted what shape it would take. Note, of course, that this was a prediction based on incomplete data (at the time) and assuming "perfect" conditions, so the initial result was less than perfect. There's a lot of static in the observations, mostly due to, I believe, planets and other large bodies getting in the way, as well as defects in the devices themselves[1]. Here's an image:

The image on top is the prediction, while the bottom one represents the measurements taken.
 1. The Universe is nearly at absolute zero, so this energy is very small. Any imperfection in the devices results in a large change in the observations.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #186 on: May 24, 2014, 03:59:56 PM »
One how long did it take and how many scientist did it take to do this?
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #187 on: May 24, 2014, 04:15:03 PM »
One how long did it take and how many scientist did it take to do this?

WikipediaWiki says that spiral nebulae (misidentified spiral galaxies) were first observed to be receding in 1910. If we assume this to be the beginning, it took approximately 104 years, as the idea is still being studied today. If we take into account that the idea itself was proposed in 1927, it took about 87 years (again, the idea is still being studied nowadays).
I don't know how many scientists were involved, but, given the time frame and significance of this theory, it was probably a lot. If I had to guess (and I cannot stress this enough: it is a guess), I'd say the number is in the hundreds - maybe thousands - of scientists.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #188 on: May 24, 2014, 04:23:47 PM »
What you can't just have a revelation that explains all life and the afterlife creation and everything in between just like that.  science sux.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #189 on: May 25, 2014, 06:29:48 AM »
One how long did it take and how many scientist did it take to do this?

WikipediaWiki says that spiral nebulae (misidentified spiral galaxies) were first observed to be receding in 1910. If we assume this to be the beginning, it took approximately 104 years, as the idea is still being studied today. If we take into account that the idea itself was proposed in 1927, it took about 87 years (again, the idea is still being studied nowadays).
I don't know how many scientists were involved, but, given the time frame and significance of this theory, it was probably a lot. If I had to guess (and I cannot stress this enough: it is a guess), I'd say the number is in the hundreds - maybe thousands - of scientists.

Okay so my point is it took many scientists and many years.  I think mine will take a while as well.  The more we learn about the big bang the more we will learn about my idea.  I guess only time will tell.

I'm pretty sure there are others that think this might be where God come from.

Thanks for the info One, you're so smart.  That grammar of your's is off the charts. Immaculate spelling, punctuation and knowing when to use capital letters.  I can't wait to read your book.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #190 on: May 25, 2014, 06:42:53 AM »
Okay so my point is it took many scientists and many years.  I think mine will take a while as well.  The more we learn about the big bang the more we will learn about my idea.  I guess only time will tell.

I'm pretty sure there are others that think this might be where God come from.

Your idea is not new. It's thousands of years old at best. Many philosophers (all of them, I'd bet) have posited the existence of god(s) and tried to come up with arguments for it. In, let's say, 500 years, nothing has unequivocally pointed in that direction. However, in the ~100 years since the Big Bang theory was proposed, we've made enormous advances in it. This should give you some idea as to why I (and others) believe you're wrong.

Thanks for the info One, you're so smart.  That grammar of your's is off the charts. Immaculate spelling, punctuation and knowing when to use capital letters.  I can't wait to read your book.

Thanks, but I doubt I'll be telling anyone online which pseudonym I used when publishing it, assuming it even gets published by an actual publisher. However, I have asked for advice from one of my teachers who has written several short books (even in comparison to the length I predict mine will be). In addition, I have already finished the first chapter's first draft. Now I'm waiting for a friend to proof-read it while I work on my fan fictions.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #191 on: May 25, 2014, 07:11:56 AM »
Okay so my point is it took many scientists and many years.  I think mine will take a while as well.  The more we learn about the big bang the more we will learn about my idea.  I guess only time will tell.

I'm pretty sure there are others that think this might be where God come from.

Your idea is not new. It's thousands of years old at best. Many philosophers (all of them, I'd bet) have posited the existence of god(s) and tried to come up with arguments for it. In, let's say, 500 years, nothing has unequivocally pointed in that direction. However, in the ~100 years since the Big Bang theory was proposed, we've made enormous advances in it. This should give you some idea as to why I (and others) believe you're wrong.

Thanks for the info One, you're so smart.  That grammar of your's is off the charts. Immaculate spelling, punctuation and knowing when to use capital letters.  I can't wait to read your book.

Thanks, but I doubt I'll be telling anyone online which pseudonym I used when publishing it, assuming it even gets published by an actual publisher. However, I have asked for advice from one of my teachers who has written several short books (even in comparison to the length I predict mine will be). In addition, I have already finished the first chapter's first draft. Now I'm waiting for a friend to proof-read it while I work on my fan fictions.

I am not talking about the existence of God but that God could have been formed in the big bang.  That couldn't have possibly come around until the actual theory.  So what I'm saying is there are others who think God could have been formed in the big bang. 

It'll get published.  Think positive.  Make it immaculate.  Give them no other choice.  Be that damn good.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #192 on: May 25, 2014, 07:33:39 AM »
I am not talking about the existence of God but that God could have been formed in the big bang.  That couldn't have possibly come around until the actual theory.  So what I'm saying is there are others who think God could have been formed in the big bang. 

Hindu cosmology, according to Wikipedia[1], makes claims similar to the Big Bang theory. It stands to reason that there have been those who thought what you think upon hearing those claims. Of course, this is speculative in nature.

It'll get published.  Think positive.

I'd rather think realistically.

Make it immaculate.

That's what I try to do with every story I write. Sometimes, though, I get lazy, like when a character just mysteriously disappeared.

Give them no other choice.  Be that damn good.

I'll try.
 1. Although it should be noted that the article appears to have been hijacked by Hindus, so this may be them trying to distort the article to suit their needs.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #193 on: May 25, 2014, 08:02:45 AM »
Look I am just trying to say proving an idea like this is NOT easy.  Agree or disagree, please just agree.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #194 on: May 25, 2014, 08:15:33 AM »
Look I am just trying to say proving an idea like this is NOT easy.  Agree or disagree, please just agree.

I never said it'd be easy to prove an idea like yours. Just that, if it were possible, we'd have seen evidence by now.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #195 on: May 25, 2014, 09:55:41 PM »
Look I am just trying to say proving an idea like this is NOT easy.  Agree or disagree, please just agree.

I never said it'd be easy to prove an idea like yours. Just that, if it were possible, we'd have seen evidence by now.

Not necessarily. ;)
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #196 on: May 26, 2014, 12:41:02 PM »

I am not talking about the existence of God but that God could have been formed in the big bang.

And invisible pink flying magic unicorns could be playing on the backside of Pluto. Who cares! What is 'possible' is not important. What is important is what can be demonstrated to be most likely the case. Mere possibility is off-topic and pointless b/c we do not base our beliefs upon what is just possible.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #197 on: May 27, 2014, 04:54:31 AM »

I am not talking about the existence of God but that God could have been formed in the big bang.

And invisible pink flying magic unicorns could be playing on the backside of Pluto. Who cares! What is 'possible' is not important. What is important is what can be demonstrated to be most likely the case. Mere possibility is off-topic and pointless b/c we do not base our beliefs upon what is just possible.

Median I know you can do better than that.  Sounds like an emotional response.  No body has ever demonstrated the Big Bang.  It is not possible! :) 
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #198 on: May 28, 2014, 04:37:58 PM »

I am not talking about the existence of God but that God could have been formed in the big bang.

And invisible pink flying magic unicorns could be playing on the backside of Pluto. Who cares! What is 'possible' is not important. What is important is what can be demonstrated to be most likely the case. Mere possibility is off-topic and pointless b/c we do not base our beliefs upon what is just possible.

Median I know you can do better than that.  Sounds like an emotional response.  No body has ever demonstrated the Big Bang.  It is not possible! :)

Oh on the contrary, and it sounds like you did not read my response carefully enough. We have in fact demonstrated the big bang model sufficiently enough to warrant acceptance of it's predictions (because it has stood the test of observation, via the cosmic background radiation, the mathematics that coincidences with the data and predictions, and the cosmos data that has been collected through time). So we do in fact have sufficient reason for accepting the model as the best explanation, with the most power of explaining the given facts that we have.

On the other hand, you do not have this with an alleged "God" thing. 1) Such an alleged being has never been coherently or logically defined and 2) that appeal to such a thing amounts to an argument from ignorance fallacy ("I can't explain this any other way. Therefore God did it"). So the argument is fallacious and unsound right from git go and it should be abandoned.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #199 on: May 28, 2014, 04:41:41 PM »
Not necessarily. ;)

If your god was hiding, then you'd be right. Of course, then we'd have to ask why a benevolent deity would do that.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #200 on: May 29, 2014, 05:52:15 AM »
Not necessarily. ;)

If your god was hiding, then you'd be right. Of course, then we'd have to ask why a benevolent deity would do that.

God is not a superhero.  I believe God is not seen because God wants us to fix our own problems.  I am so afraid that it's going to take an astrological tragedy of death and destruction before this change happens.  They just announced that they're going to approve fracking in NC. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #201 on: May 29, 2014, 06:05:52 AM »
God is not a superhero.  I believe God is not seen because God wants us to fix our own problems.  I am so afraid that it's going to take an astrological tragedy of death and destruction before this change happens.

Then your god is worth less than Doctor Manhattan, who uses his godly powers[1] to help mankind. He tries, anyway. According to himself, "[he] can change a lot of things, but [he] can't change human nature".

They just announced that they're going to approve fracking in NC. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

That's just stupid to do anywhere that has life forms. Or, put in another way, stupid to do.
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Re: RE: What do you mean when you say "god"?
« Reply #202 on: May 29, 2014, 06:14:45 AM »
God is not a superhero.  I believe God is not seen because God wants us to fix our own problems.  I am so afraid that it's going to take an astrological tragedy of death and destruction before this change happens.

Then your god is worth less than Doctor Manhattan, who uses his godly powers[1] to help mankind. He tries, anyway. According to himself, "[he] can change a lot of things, but [he] can't change human nature".
 1. Omnipotence and near-omniscience - he can see his own past, present, and future simultaneously.

I can understand why you feel that way.  I totally can.

They just announced that they're going to approve fracking in NC. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

That's just stupid to do anywhere that has life forms. Or, put in another way, stupid to do.
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It's beyond stupid One.  It's disgusting.  The disregard for human life is catastrophically foolish.  Arrogant SOB's. 
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