Junebug, I need you to clarify something.
When you say (as you often do) that a persons view on god determines who they are, in what sense do you use the word determine.
Sense 1 would be 'determine' as in: 'your genes determine the colour of your skin.'
Sense 2 as in: 'we determine the composition of stars by the light rays they emit.'
A 3rd sense in which both sense 1 and sense 2 are implied to a varying degree.
Or none of the above.
Try using the words around the word "determine" to "determine" what I mean.
Junebug, I consider this a very hostile response a legitimate question.
You claim I am blinded by 'contempt' and complain that I don't understand your view, but I have done nothing but ask questions. I have not insulted you. I have never at any point even argued with you. I was brought up in a religious household and it is difficult for me to immediately relate to some of your ideas, I'm sorry. But all I've done so far is ask questions.
I did not demand proof. I did not decry your assertions. I did not even demand to be convinced.
Anyone, following this thread will bear me witness that I have not been disrespectful to your views in any way. I might have misunderstood them at certain times, but I did not refute them.
If you don't want to answer questions on your belief that's fine and we can discontinue this conversation. But don't accuse me of contempt and besmear the intent of honest straightforward questions.
Look man I read your post. All that jive about how you know God loves me and answers my prayers. Please pray for me so I can get comfort.
Please show me mercy you're stripping my mom. What's my love got to do with it?
I wasn't being hostile. I was being sincere. When I have a hard time comprehending that's what I do and it helps me to comprehend the author's story.
All I could do is repeat myself. How would that help you understand anything?
Fine, you got me.
Initially I did think your views were ridiculous. But what was I supposed to think? I had never heard them before.
I'm a Christian. My initial response whenever someone says, 'there is no god' or 'god is only your perception of him' is always going to be 'that's ridiculous.'
But when I hear that, I have a choice either to walk away with my smug assessment of that persons POV or stay and have a conversation with that person. Perhaps realize that persons views are not so silly as I thought after all.
Junebug, I think your views are ridiculous. But I think them less ridiculous now than I did when we began this conversation.
Is that so bad. After all Junebug, I'm a Christian. I believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of a god who made the whole world in six days and that very soon he'll be coming back to take me up to heaven to be with him.
Can you honestly say that you don't find THAT ridiculous?
Isn't that what this site is? A bunch of people all making attempts at meaningful discussion with people whose views and opinions they consider ridiculously inferior to their own.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally never ask a question that I don't need an answer to. It may not seem that way to you. It may seem derisive and mocking (and granted sometimes it is) but if I bother to ask at all it is because I am genuinely trying to understand the view of the person I'm asking.
I'm sorry if you took my posts the wrong way and I honestly think its better if we end this conversation here, but I was truly hoping to go away from this thread with an understanding of your god POV. Not my own opinion, not my own misuderstanding of something you said, but your
actual views. Regardless of whether or not I can find it in myself to believe them.