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Lucvance, skeptic, jstweb commentary thread
« on: July 07, 2014, 09:58:53 AM »
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Re: Lucvance, skeptic, jstweb commentary thread
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2014, 10:00:55 AM »
Highly doubt they will all reply, or that even one of them will reply. Still, BM.
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Re: Lucvance, skeptic, jstweb commentary thread
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2014, 12:23:46 PM »
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Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.
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Re: Lucvance, skeptic, jstweb commentary thread
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2014, 04:43:58 PM »
It would have been immensely useful if the bible had made it excruciatingly clear what parts were mythical, which parts were poetry and which parts were parables just included to flesh out a moral lesson, like the story problems in a math book. All that could be together in one section entitled Just for Fun. Then the factual stuff collected together in a completely different section, entitled Just The Facts like an addendum or even a separate book entirely.

It would only have taken one more meeting of the Roman committee that decided what would go in and what was heresy or apocryphal or whatever. That right there could have eliminated a lot of controversy, persecution, schisms, torture and even religious wars over the years.

The fact that we have at least three entirely different and strongly held Christian perspectives on this being represented right now on this site is not encouraging. Correct me if I am wrong but:

Lukvance says most of the bible, both OT and NT is made up stories. The bible should not be taken literally and we should concentrate more on what his church currently teaches. Although what this church teaches is at least in part based on the bible. Which is made up stories, except the Trinity, the Virgin Mary, and the miracles Jesus did. And Satan. And demons. And angels. That's all true. :-\

Jst says that the OT is mostly symbolic, made up stories, except for maybe parts of Genesis, but the NT is to be taken as mostly literal, except the parts that would be silly to try to do, like give all your money away. However, some parts deemed to be silly by other Christians are to be taken very, very literally-- like not getting blood transfusions, not saluting flags, not fighting in wars and not celebrating holidays. You have to believe that Armageddon as described in Revelations, is literally just around the corner, 5, 15 or maybe 500 years away.[1] &)

And then there is skeptic who maintains that all of the bible, OT and NT alike has a factual, literal basis. Anytime the world does not match what the bible says, well, that just means the world is lying to you. The science is lying to you. The scientists are lying to you. The research is lying to you. The microscope and telescope are lying to you. The numbers are lying to you. Your eyes are lying to you.[2]

Humans lived with dinosaurs. All fossils are the same age and were buried all mixed up during Noah's Flood. Any information that suggests anything else, including sedimentary rocks, eroded mountains, tree rings, DNA, mutating disease germs, seafloor spreading, light from distant stars, animal cloning, plate tectonics, island biogeography= lies, lies, lies. Because everything in the bible is true, true, true.  :angel:

I am still waiting for any of these Christians to give me a rule or guideline for knowing what parts are literature and what parts are literal. (Cute huh?)
 1. If we ask questions about something in the OT, Jst comes back rhetorically with "Why are you taking that passage as if it was accurate historically or scientifically?" Um. Because there are people like skeptic who think it is accurate historically and scientifically. And some of them are passing laws that make no sense, and killing children to get the demons out of them.
 2. If you never find any rabbit chicken, or monkey fossils in the same layers with fossils of dinosaurs, it's because the evil government is covering up those discoveries. Because atheists!
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.