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It will be interesting what happens if this story starts making the rounds amongst believers and their various churches. Basically it says that a 1500 year old bible that appears to be legitimate says that JC was a prophet, but not the son of god (and he ascended to heaven while alive), that Judas was the one that was crucified, that Paul was an impostor, and, oh yea, Jesus prophesied Mohammed and Islam, or something like that.

http://higherperspective.com/2014/05/1500-year-old-bible-claims-jesus-christ-crucified-vatican-awe.html

Hey, this could start a religious war or something. Not that that would be anything new…
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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2014, 06:29:16 PM »
Sounds like an Islamic forgery.
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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2014, 07:40:03 PM »
I haven't read any more about it other than this article, and of course I've no idea how accurate it is. Hopefully more info will come out. But you have a good point. It may well be what you suspect, screwtape.
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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2014, 08:51:37 PM »
Sounds like an Islamic forgery.

Like all other sacred texts are real?  &)
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2014, 09:25:29 PM »
I dunno how it can be 1500 years old, and Islamic, so that makes it much later/newer.
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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2014, 10:12:22 PM »
It isn't islamic, but the article says that, while is was written in around 500A.D., that in it, JC prophesied something/someone that looked a lot like Mohammed or something. Of course it might just say "Some guy will make an ass of himself in a couple hundred years" and they would consider that good enough. I dunno.

Obviously it is no more legit than any other religious text, but if it is as authentic as other religious texts, and it does make claims about JC not having such a bad day after all and stuff, it would make for a lot of hemming and hawing by the religious folks on our planet.
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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2014, 10:53:09 PM »
Regardless, "beware the man of one book".
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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2014, 12:14:31 AM »
that in it, JC prophesied something/someone that looked a lot like Mohammed or something.

I think Barnabas actually spells Mohammad's name.

http://answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol2/9c.html

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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2014, 12:25:30 AM »
Sounds like a fraud, indeed.

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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2014, 01:06:53 AM »
I'd certainly be curious to see how the book indicates Jesus was not the Son of God. Seems kind of strange for a book to say what someone wasn't as opposed to what they were, unless the book is specifically addressing (and refuting) what other books say, or what was being proclaimed at the time
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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2014, 02:59:15 AM »
Oh yeah.. the old problem of how do you retract a fake statement once some has said it.

It says that he wasn't crucified, which kinda throws Christianity down the dunny.
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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2014, 06:42:33 AM »
I'm skeptical.  The linked article is sensationalist and cites no scholarship.  It calls the text a "Bible," when it appears to be a Gospel (a copy of the Gospel of Barnabus)--they're not the same thing!  If the writer can't get something elementary like that right, I don't find them very credible.

Second, the article mentions that the article was seized from a gang of smugglers.  So, we have no indication of the book's provenance (where and when it was found originally)  It's also in really good condition for a text that old.  Oh, and it's in an Islamic country and "just happens" to confirm Islamic beliefs. 

OTOH, it's possible that Islam could have been descended from the sect that produced this book, if it turns out to be authentic.  Some of the teachings described did exist in other sects, such as the Ebionites, and there were Gnostic sects that taught various versions of Jesus making his save vs. crucifixion.  So...it's not impossible, but after the James Ossuary, the Lead Codices, and apparently now the "Jesus' wife" fragment, this one's setting off my BS Detector.
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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2014, 08:27:57 AM »
If you read Wikipedia, the gospel of Barny has been known since the 1600's, and there have been various copies that got lost. This could have been the original, written in the 1500's or around that time.

This is the text: http://www.nairaland.com/284890/true-story-jesus-cross-gospel
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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2014, 05:12:37 PM »
It will be interesting what happens if this story starts making the rounds amongst believers and their various churches. Basically it says that a 1500 year old bible that appears to be legitimate says that JC was a prophet, but not the son of god (and he ascended to heaven while alive), that Judas was the one that was crucified, that Paul was an impostor, and, oh yea, Jesus prophesied Mohammed and Islam, or something like that.

http://higherperspective.com/2014/05/1500-year-old-bible-claims-jesus-christ-crucified-vatican-awe.html

Hey, this could start a religious war or something. Not that that would be anything new…

Interesting.  I admit to being confused about this book being an "original".  Does this mean this Gospel of Barnabas is the first one and all others were copied after this one? 

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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2014, 05:59:21 PM »
I'm still trying to figure out how you tell a fake sacred text from a real one. If any religion had actual proof that their sacred text was real, there would only be one religion (or at least only one version of each religion) because all the rest would clearly be fakes, right?

Religious people generally don't care what scholars or scientists say about their sacred texts anyway. Most religions exist in spite of what scholars and scientists say, not because of it.
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2014, 06:00:29 PM »
I suspect that "original" means "not a recent copy; as old as it claims to be". If anyone is expecting it to be signed and dated by Barnabus, they're in for a disappointment.

Oh, and the word "Bible" seems a little generous, too.

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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2014, 07:47:12 PM »
I suspect that "original" means "not a recent copy; as old as it claims to be". If anyone is expecting it to be signed and dated by Barnabus, they're in for a disappointment.

Oh, and the word "Bible" seems a little generous, too.


Should be interesting to see how this copy compares with the Italian copy. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

Surprisingly, Conservapedia has a slightly different take.

http://conservapedia.com/Gospel_of_Barnabas

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Re: New bible found - Says JC was not the son of god, not crucified
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2014, 02:29:22 PM »
I'm so removed from superstitious god-belief that it perplexes me more & more how anybody regards any old religious writings from primitive Palestine (or anywhere else) as having any particularly insights to anything that cannot be arrived at without said books.  Even the "Golden Rule" is a human construct that is simply a product of our natural moral evolution.  I can't help but view those who are hypnotized by the bible, koran, etc as being stuck in a state of stunted infancy.
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