I watched the second video starting at ~40:00, through the speech made by Patsy (the lady in the red hat). I did not watch the first video because I...ahem...over-ran my bandwidth allowance watching other videos, and my ISP punishes that by making my 'net really. really. slooooowwwwwwww if I keep it up. Could you please give me the time reference to the woman in the first video to whom you're referring?
I am not convinced that Patsy is any more stupid than the evangelical/fundamentalist norm. Did you notice that the believers in the audience (I'm guessing, multiple ethnicities) all clapped when she finished, or that the woman who speaks right after her (some other ethnicity) starts out saying Patsy's narrative is "a beautiful story?"
Your thesis seems to be something along the lines of, "Fundy evangelicals are stupid, but OMG, these black
women in the videos and a lot of the ones I know are COLOSSALLY stupid!" I don't see that in evidence so far.
Patsy made a reference to the Book of Genesis teaching that the words "we" (i.e. Christians) speak become reality. I've heard that teaching before from Benny Hinn (Israeli Jew). She said she had an experience of her son talking to her after his death, telling her she'd see him in Heaven. Carl Sagan reported seeing his departed father (IIRC in Broca's Brain,
but I don't have my copy anymore to look it up), mentioned in context of explaining that these sorts of experiences are fairly common for grieving people.
The "God works all things together for good" and "death is a good thing" stuff is just boilerplate faithspeak of the sort we hear every time somebody survives ("It's a miracle!") or doesn't survive ("God took him/her home" "We'll see them in heaven") a plane crash or other disaster. Remember those white, male firemen crowding around the "9/11 cross" to pray, how Christians everywhere were soooo
awed by the miiiiiiiiiiiracle
it represented? Yeah. We're all really impressed down here, I can tell you.
So, as far as I can tell, Red Hat Patsy's views are just plain ol' bog-standard fundy evangelicalism.
I have a co-worker (white, Southern, female) who believes pretty much everything Patsy claimed in the speech starting at 40:00 in the second video. She (my co-worker) claims that she casually talks to Yahweh in the same way. She says that he helped her win a game on her smartphone. No, really
I ended up spending a day with her because we were working together to get decorations for a Mardi Gras parade, and she started into the god-talk, all about how she talks to him all the time and so forth.
So I started in asking, "How come you're not a superhero? Seriously! If I
could talk to omniscient intelligence at any time and get replies
, I could solve climate change, the energy crisis, famine in Africa, you name it! Omniscient intelligence!
People like you should be running circles
around us mere mortals!" She came back with "Maybe that's your
calling. You can talk to God too [i.e., if I joined her religion]." I kept trying to point out the concept of anticipated consequences. Millions
of Real, True Christians--or even a few hundred of them, who had regular casual conversation with omniscient intelligence
would Change. The. World. in big, obvious, inescapable
ways, just like the world would be different if Superman and The Avengers were real. She kept trying to make it about me (i.e., "Why don't you ask God then?").
I kept trying to explain (over and over again) that, if her
claim of casual conversation with omniscient intelligence
didn't work out for her
, why should I
believe it? I asked her, "With omniscient intelligence
on your side, what possible
problems can you not solve easily?
"And omniscient intelligence
can't outsmart Satan?"
"Yes he can, but it's a choice to follow God..."
"Omniscient. Intelligence. If you follow its advice, you cannot possibly make a mistake. Everything you do would be absolutely, super-humanly, optimized to Accomplish. Anything. You. (and he) Wanted.
Why would you ever
choose anything else?"
"Omniscient. Intelligence. Can't help you out with the 'sin' problem? You can't tell him, 'Lord, I'd really like to do what you want and not have this sin thing getting in the way all the time'--you do want that, right?--'So, Lord, can you help me out here?'"
"But it's a choice..."
"What 'sin' would you chose over being an actual, honest-to-Marvel superhero
, able to do all kinds of amazing and wonderful things for your god?"
Round and round.
So, every time she mentioned some problem she couldn't get past (e.g. "stick-in-the-mud" people holding her back from improving a Zoomba [exercise dance] class), or did something like ask me to help her find a place on her phone's map, I'd keep hitting her with Omniscient. Intelligence. Can't outflank a few people? You're asking me?!
She has a "ministry" that she wants to do, but doesn't have the money. So I asked her, "Does your god want you to do this ministry?" "Oh yes." "Alright then. So he'll help you figure out how to get the money?" Now, most believers are pretty good at crafting their theology so that it has no anticipated consequences. My co-worker hasn't quite caught on to the necessity of this. So, I explained to her the concept of internet stock trading via Ameridrade. So, all she has to do is set up an account and ask her god which companies to invest in. If her beliefs are true and she really does have omniscient intelligence
squatting on her medulla obongata, then she couldn't possibly fail
as long as she asks him what trades to do (small-cap stocks should work quite nicely) and when, and sincerely intends to use the proceeds to fund the ministry she and her god both want her to be getting on with.
She did go so far as to open an Ameritrade account with her phone while we were on this trip, but when I tried to pose a specific demonstration, with her agreeing in advance to abandon her beliefs if her god failed, and me agreeing to believe in her god if he succeeded, she balked at that. "I knowwwww
God is real, I talk to him all the time."
Now, she and Patsy are hardly the only Christians who believe they routinely have conversations with omniscient intelligence. Benny Hinn (Jewish male), Pat Robertson (white male), Kenneth Copeland (white male), the nutters who run the Trinity Broadcasting Network (white male and Ginormous Hair white female), and countless preachers and followers across America and around the world do too, most of them white. And not one of them seems capable of thinking of any mildly creative questions
Then there's the white male Creationists, who may or may not chat with omniscient intelligence but (I'm sure you would agree) qualify as "colossally stupid," or at least their beliefs do. Ken Ham. Duane Gish. Kent Hovind. VenomFangX.
Can I generalize from this that there is some particular phenomenon of white colossal stupidity in need of explanation? Why or why not?
Now, to link this back to the original topic, I'm not convinced that religions "accepting evolution" would really make much difference as long as they foster boneheadedness on this level. The problem is not so much particular ridiculous beliefs IMO, as much as the habits of mind that make them possible. For example, a New Age type nutter can accept evolution (more or less--maybe with a little help from the Ancient Aliens because humans can't stack rocks on their own), but still believe that vaccines are an evil Illuminati conspiracy to cause autism, that homeopathy works, etc..