Riddle Me this, Luk: If your god exists outside the minds of believers, and has the potential to make itself known to all of humanity, why are only the believers convinced that it's real? Because of free will. He doesn't force people to believe in him.
This is a totally bogus argument. Freewill has absolutely nothing to do with believing in something. According to the bible itself, Satan and his angels existed in the direct presence of the alleged God directly...and still chose to reject his command (allegedly). Sorry, freewill has nothing to do with this and this response is nonsense, also, since the bible clearly states that this God (again allegedly) physically manifested itself to many people throughout the ages.
Of course, we don't buy any these stories but they demonstrate that your "freewill" argument is empty.
Yep. Not only Satan and the angels. Human beings like Adam and Eve, Noah, Moses, Abraham, etc. all had direct contact with god and evidently, still had their free will
. They could still obey god or not, and sometimes did disobey, using their free will. Even though they knew for sure that god was real. If you want to add in the NT, you have people who knew Jesus, who is also apparently god, and chose not to follow him. So, again, knowing that Jesus/god existed did not make free will invalid
Until now, I guess, when there are lots more ways to prove things and show evidence than in bible times. Now somehow, god cannot show himself because it would violate free will, even though it did not in the olden days.
Lukvance, why keep bringing up an argument that your own religion refutes
, over and over? Having sure evidence that your god exists does not
invalidate free will. Therefore no reason whatsoever why your god cannot make himself known clearly to everyone, so all can decide whether to follow him, obey him or not.
Either 1)he is not very good at communicating, 2)he does not want everyone to know about him, or 3)he does not really exist. Which is it?
So, if free will is out, what other excuses (for your god's inability to show himself to everyone) have you got? Oh, yeah, sin. God won't show up where there is sin.....