My point was when you said god healed people, you have no way to know that it was god.
Of course we know, we call that testimony.
This is because you have defined god as being undetectable. So, if god really did do it, you cannot tell.
You are the one making such a definition. I can detect God as easily as I can detect emotions. So if God did it we will be able to tell.
Ah, so your evidence is that a bunch of people just believe it. Exactly as I said. You make my point for me. Thank you.
"Just a bunch of people" is what you need to know what emotion you are feeling now? What was your point again : "when you said god healed people, you have no way to know that it was god"? How does this prove your point? It goes totally in the opposite direction.
You may call it a "miraculous" remission, but that implies god did something. "Mysterious" might be a better description, since you cannot know what caused it.
You are making a mistake because you base your affirmations on a false premise. We can know what caused it, prayer to God.
The problem is you are calling it a spoon when there are no forks or spoons anywhere to be seen.
Haha nope. I am calling it the same way the people involved are calling it : "miracle" you are the one saying "no it's not miracle it's chance!" you're calling a spoon a fork. Go ahead but it is a mistake.
God will work through me means that he will propose to me to do or say somethingHow does this happen? How do you know it is god? Does he walk up to you and ask you? Does he call you on the phone? Does he speak to you through the car radio? Please explain.
You know when you realize that you have a feeling? Does the feeling walk up to you and ask you? Does it call you on the phone? Does it speak to you through the car radio? No. You just know it's there and (sometime) you know why. Same thing with God, you know what to say or do and you know why.
God will work through me means that he will propose to me to do or say something, he won't force his will upon me either. Is it clearer?
No, it is not clear. [/quote]
What do you not understand? It pretty simple. God tell something, me do it if me want to. God not forcing me to do anything.
there are 62 other books in the bible. Why do you exclude those?
"The gospels are the factual story. The part where actual events took place. The Old testament is mostly stories without actual events in it." What is so complicated to understand in that phrase?
jesus said he did not come to change the law. And the law included a lot of killing. jesus did not change that. Why not?
He did not change the law, he just corrected the twisted way people like you understood it.
jesus also did not clarify that slavery was wrong. Why not?
Please read my previous post on that subject. You are wrong Jesus clearly state that slavery is wrong.
It [the 5th commandment] says not to murder other jews.
Read it again. Here, let me copy paste it for you so you can underline for me where it talks about Jews :
Deuteronomy 5:17 "You must not murder anyone."
Exodus 20:13 "You must not murder anyone."
It is interesting that is the 5th and not the first, no?
No. Obey the 4 first and you will never do the 5th. Heck, obey only the 1st and you won't ever do the other 9.
And if you notice, god personally killed a lot of people for breaking one or more of those first four. But he only every punished one or two people for breaking the 5th. That tells you where his priorities are. Killing is not a big deal to him.
You are again wrong. God (in fact) never killed anyone.
After that yhwh listed a whole bunch of "crimes" for which jews were supposed to kill people. Ridiculous things. Unruly children should be stoned. Picking up sticks on Saturday warranted death. Wearing clothes of different fibers was so offensive that people had to be killed for it. Etc, etc. The list goes on.
Then, after all that, he commanded the jews to kill ALL the Midianites - men, women, little boys - and take the girls as sex slaves. Then he commanded the jews to pretty much slaughter everyone in Canaan.
Wrong again. Jesus was there to make you realize how much wrong you are to think such things.
And let me ask you, what is the 9th commandment?
It can be simplified as "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF"
Here is the "real one"
"You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbor's.
Every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
The ninth commandment forbids carnal concupiscence; the tenth forbids coveting another's goods
Christian theology has given concupiscence a particular meaning: the movement of the sensitive appetite contrary to the operation of the human reason.