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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #522 on: May 22, 2014, 10:56:45 PM »
More time than than not when I hear about two people from separate religions marry either one is forced to make a decision or one just doesn't really care. Like Christians who marry Jews, from what I've read, and seen, Christians convert to Judaism rather than the other way around. Just an opinion based on my observations.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #523 on: May 23, 2014, 08:39:05 AM »
You will therefore no longer bring up the rate of growth in Christianity or the numbers of members of your faith as evidence for it being true.
So, what else have you got?
Got for what? If you read correctly the replies, I did NOT "bring up the rate of growth in Christianity or the numbers of members of my faith as evidence for it being true."

But you did bring up numbers as a factor in how you determine whether something/someone is worthy of worship or praise:
hmmm you miss 22,708,798 others and I might start to even consider you. Why 22,708,798 you ask? Because it's the number of new Christians adherents per year.
Which isn't all that far off from saying that the sheer number of Christian adherents plays a factor in how strongly you think that Christianity (at least, the god is good and worthy of praise bit) is true.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #524 on: May 23, 2014, 09:53:07 AM »
More time than than not when I hear about two people from separate religions marry either one is forced to make a decision or one just doesn't really care. Like Christians who marry Jews, from what I've read, and seen, Christians convert to Judaism rather than the other way around. Just an opinion based on my observations.
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About the numbers of convert from Jews to Christians : "in the 1890s the number was running closer to 3,000 per year"[1] Each year Judaism is losing 70,447 followers[2].
 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_Judaism
 2. http://fastestgrowingreligion.com/numbers.html

Wow! The 1890s. What about the 1990s? Christianity is dropping considerably in western countries from deconversions or conversions most likely the former. In the US alone it dropped from 86% to 76%. Your "converts" are mainly in poorer areas of the world and/or strict religions, like Islam, who have the mentality of "Convert and die" -- literally. But Christians are no better would be no better in such places because it's the mentality.

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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #525 on: May 23, 2014, 10:26:06 AM »
More time than than not when I hear about two people from separate religions marry either one is forced to make a decision or one just doesn't really care. Like Christians who marry Jews, from what I've read, and seen, Christians convert to Judaism rather than the other way around. Just an opinion based on my observations.
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About the numbers of convert from Jews to Christians : "in the 1890s the number was running closer to 3,000 per year"[1] Each year Judaism is losing 70,447 followers[2].
 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_Judaism
 2. http://fastestgrowingreligion.com/numbers.html

Interesting how the only time most Christian acknowledge that other groups are Christians is when they want the numbers to be high. According to your fastest growing religions source, the only way Christianity has more adherents than Islam is by including every single possible type of Christian (Orthodox, Anglicans, JW's, Mormons, etc.) If you only count Catholics, Islam has you beat already. You have to buddy up with the Mormons to get to #1.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #526 on: May 23, 2014, 10:35:36 AM »
Ah, but what about Islam. Apart from the Sunni and Shia who like each other so much they blow up each other's mosques there are other divisions too. If we have to split Christianity up as the various denominations hardly talk to each other, we have to do the same for Islam too which would leave not so much with a winner but just plain confused.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #527 on: May 23, 2014, 01:01:01 PM »
Interesting how the only time most Christian acknowledge that other groups are Christians is when they want the numbers to be high. According to your fastest growing religions source, the only way Christianity has more adherents than Islam is by including every single possible type of Christian (Orthodox, Anglicans, JW's, Mormons, etc.) If you only count Catholics, Islam has you beat already. You have to buddy up with the Mormons to get to #1.
Ever heard of Sunni? Shia? Sufism? Ahmadiyya? Ibadi? Quranism? They are the Catholics of Islam. Do you want to rephrase your previous assertion?
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #528 on: May 23, 2014, 01:57:21 PM »
Ah, but what about Islam. Apart from the Sunni and Shia who like each other so much they blow up each other's mosques there are other divisions too. If we have to split Christianity up as the various denominations hardly talk to each other, we have to do the same for Islam too which would leave not so much with a winner but just plain confused.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #529 on: May 23, 2014, 02:09:15 PM »
Interesting how the only time most Christian acknowledge that other groups are Christians is when they want the numbers to be high. According to your fastest growing religions source, the only way Christianity has more adherents than Islam is by including every single possible type of Christian (Orthodox, Anglicans, JW's, Mormons, etc.) If you only count Catholics, Islam has you beat already. You have to buddy up with the Mormons to get to #1.
Ever heard of Sunni? Shia? Sufism? Ahmadiyya? Ibadi? Quranism? They are the Catholics of Islam. Do you want to rephrase your previous assertion?

No!
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #530 on: May 23, 2014, 02:56:47 PM »
Interesting how the only time most Christian acknowledge that other groups are Christians is when they want the numbers to be high. According to your fastest growing religions source, the only way Christianity has more adherents than Islam is by including every single possible type of Christian (Orthodox, Anglicans, JW's, Mormons, etc.) If you only count Catholics, Islam has you beat already. You have to buddy up with the Mormons to get to #1.
Ever heard of Sunni? Shia? Sufism? Ahmadiyya? Ibadi? Quranism? They are the Catholics of Islam. Do you want to rephrase your previous assertion?

No!

to be fair I think Catholisism probably is the biggest sects in the world. It does have a 500 year advantage over islam and it had the advent of being spread by the sword all over South America.

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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #531 on: May 23, 2014, 04:13:25 PM »
Interesting how the only time most Christian acknowledge that other groups are Christians is when they want the numbers to be high. According to your fastest growing religions source, the only way Christianity has more adherents than Islam is by including every single possible type of Christian (Orthodox, Anglicans, JW's, Mormons, etc.) If you only count Catholics, Islam has you beat already. You have to buddy up with the Mormons to get to #1.
Ever heard of Sunni? Shia? Sufism? Ahmadiyya? Ibadi? Quranism? They are the Catholics of Islam. Do you want to rephrase your previous assertion?

No!

to be fair I think Catholisism probably is the biggest sects in the world. It does have a 500 year advantage over islam and it had the advent of being spread by the sword all over South America.

Not just South America.

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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #532 on: May 23, 2014, 04:35:06 PM »
Do the stats count the deconverts as well. everytime the evangelicals come thru my town with a full outdoor stadium rock production gala event they get lots of converts, 6months later they are back to whatever they were .


the evangelicals just count how many came forward that minute.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #533 on: May 23, 2014, 04:54:50 PM »
When Christianity first started, it was a minority sect. Was it less true in 200 AD when there were far fewer members than now? If it was true when there were 100 members, it is just as true today. And if it was false when there were 100 members, it is just as false today. Numbers have no bearing on religious truth. People tend to follow the religion most prevalent where they live, even if it is a tiny minority globally. 

Counting religious adherents is pretty tricky. I would guess that all the numbers are over-inflated. As I mentioned before, a person would be crazy to say they were not Muslim in a strict theocracy like Iran.

In many countries, people feel pressured to say they believe in the most prevalent religion. Most people who practice fringe religions or banned sects are reluctant to publicly say what their faith is. In Haiti most people practice Vodun, but say that they are Catholic. Once you start taking into account all the schisms and sects and breakaway groups, even the mainstream religions start to look a lot smaller.

If you subtracted the people who practice more than one faith out of convenience, or only half-heartedly participate because of family and are not hardcore believers, the numbers would shrink even more.

I don't know why Lukvance thinks the numbers matter, since we have established that global or regional numbers are not equivalent to truth.
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #534 on: May 23, 2014, 05:09:52 PM »
Pornography users are growing rapidly and is a huge international market so in luks logic.....
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #535 on: May 24, 2014, 12:09:33 AM »
to be fair I think Catholisism probably is the biggest sects in the world. It does have a 500 year advantage over islam and it had the advent of being spread by the sword all over South America.

Not just South America.

Já, I'm still miffed after the "convert or die" stunt they pulled in Norway and Iceland about a thousand years ago -- But that pales in comparison to the atrocities the RCC committed in North America in relatively recent times.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #536 on: May 24, 2014, 07:23:30 AM »
Amputees are reaping what they have sowed.

You're an idiot.



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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #538 on: May 24, 2014, 11:18:13 AM »
I don't know why Lukvance thinks the numbers matter, since we have established that global or regional numbers are not equivalent to truth.

The more people you have, the more experience you get, the closer to the truth you are. (the truth can be "it is good" or "it is bad")
When tell a lie and people have the freedom to confront that lie it is harder to lie if there are a lot of peopole than if there is few. Plus, in case of religion, you have testimony. The more testimony you have the more true it gets. Having 10 expert saying it is true is less plausible than having 1000.
Numbers are important whether you want it or not you live in a world where they are at the top of the pyramid.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #539 on: May 24, 2014, 11:45:33 AM »
I don't know why Lukvance thinks the numbers matter, since we have established that global or regional numbers are not equivalent to truth.

The more people you have, the more experience you get, the closer to the truth you are. (the truth can be "it is good" or "it is bad")
When tell a lie and people have the freedom to confront that lie it is harder to lie if there are a lot of peopole than if there is few. Plus, in case of religion, you have testimony. The more testimony you have the more true it gets. Having 10 expert saying it is true is less plausible than having 1000.
Numbers are important whether you want it or not you live in a world where they are at the top of the pyramid.
You know what? Even a cure cannot be considered as a cure as long as there are enough people cured by the said cure.

Lukvance,
You have, unwittingly given the very best demonstration as to why there should be no religion.

Your argument can be reduced to “Eat s**t, one trillion flies cannot be wrong.”

As long as you believe that what millions of people believe must be the truth, you will be living in ignorance.

The truth is not democratic.

Unquestioning, gullible masses are not the arbiters of truth. The unquestioning, gullible masses have never helped society. The religious represent unquestioning, gullible masses.

Some years ago I was in Ireland and shared a table at a pub with a priest. The priest told me that when swallows migrate across the ocean, they carry with them a stick so that they can rest upon the waves of the sea… If you are taught this as truth from a man of authority, you will believe it but it is complete fiction.

The Church preaches ignorance and lies and the unquestioning, gullible masses believe them.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #540 on: May 24, 2014, 12:23:01 PM »
Lukvance,
You have, unwittingly given the very best demonstration as to why there should be no religion.

Your argument can be reduced to “Eat s**t, one trillion flies cannot be wrong.”

As long as you believe that what millions of people believe must be the truth, you will be living in ignorance.

The truth is not democratic.


So we can forget the argument of, "If millions of scientists accept evolution, then it has to be true."

Do you agree?
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #541 on: May 24, 2014, 12:52:00 PM »
Your argument can be reduced to “Eat s**t, one trillion flies cannot be wrong.”
I would not say that. I would say "hey look at this many happy people, there must be a reason why they are happy! let's have a look"
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As long as you believe that what millions of people believe must be the truth, you will be living in ignorance.
Of course. But not looking into it would be a shame wouldn't it?
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The truth is not democratic.
I agree. It's universal.
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Unquestioning, gullible masses are not the arbiters of truth. The unquestioning, gullible masses have never helped society. The religious represent unquestioning, gullible masses.
Bold mine. What proof can you give us?
We are talking more than 50% of the world population believe there is a god (monotheist) your gullible mass and less than 25% believe there are none (atheists)
Also, can you say with certitude that it was the gullible masses that hurt more society than the un-gullible mass? (using your definition of gullible mass)

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Some years ago I was in Ireland and shared a table at a pub with a priest. The priest told me that when swallows migrate across the ocean, they carry with them a stick so that they can rest upon the waves of the sea… If you are taught this as truth from a man of authority, you will believe it but it is complete fiction.
My teacher taught me that Christophe Colomb believed that the earth was flat.[1]
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #542 on: May 24, 2014, 08:16:21 PM »
Lukvance you are saying this:

1) Happiness is a good determinant of truth.  You know that many times, people are much happier with lies ("You don't look fat in that dress." "Your puppy is in heaven chasing rabbits all day." "A man gives you a big diamond like that, he must really love you." "This lotto ticket is a sure fire winner!" )

2) If most people do something, it must be correct. You know that popular things that "everyone" does are often wrong: Slavery was a commonly accepted practice all over the world from the beginnings of human history until the 20th century. Most people in Germany went along with the Nazis. Most people in the Middle Ages went along with burning witches.

What you are implying is that the main argument for checking out Christianity is to jump on the bandwagon, not because it is actually true, but because it is popular, and seems to make people happy.

Here is what you are saying: When there were only a handful of Christians in the world, and did not make very many people happy, it must have been a lie. Nowadays, there are two billion members, and most are happy, so it must be true.

So, when, exactly did it become true?

You also ignore the fact that certain religions have more members because people who had that faith conquered and enslaved more people. The Jains and Bahai's, for example, are very peaceful religions and do not conquer or enslave anyone. They mind their own business, don't try to get their religion made into law and don't try to push conversion on others. They will never become world dominating religions that way, and might even die out. Yet, they are as happy and as likely to be true as any other religion.

If you live in Iran or India, you see very few Christians around, and those few are not happy. So, what reason would you have for investigating that religion? None, according to you. Most people around you are Muslim or Hindu and most of them are happy. Case closed.
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Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #543 on: May 24, 2014, 10:01:05 PM »
Your argument can be reduced to “Eat s**t, one trillion flies cannot be wrong.”
I would not say that. I would say "hey look at this many happy people, there must be a reason why they are happy! let's have a look"

This sounds pretty dishonest, because you aren't just having a look. You have started with your conclusion FIRST, and are now trying to defend it no matter what. That is backwards, and quite hypocritical since you likely don't do this with other supernatural claims. Happiness is not a determining factor of whether or not a supernatural claim is true. Again, you keep resorting to these subjective internal and wholly personal self-diagnoses as the standard of how we ought to separate fact from fiction. Such a method is unreliable since we know human beings tell lies, exaggerate, self dilute, make grievous errors, and misinterpret their said experiences all the time. So again, you aren't providing any reliable foundation for determining whether these alleged miracle claims actually occurred. It's just more obfuscating and attempts at rationalizing away the fact that you do not have independently demonstrable evidence.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #544 on: May 25, 2014, 10:30:40 AM »
I want to make two observations, and a disclaimer before either - it's Sunday Bloody (Mary) Sunday here and I'm a ridiculous light-weight.

First: I've been noticing a tendency among some of the theists to put strong emphasis on "happiness" in regards to their convictions. Happiness seems to be a big deal, to the point that I'm beginning to wonder if we all see that emotion the same way. Patience please, I'm working through this as I write, and it's all connected to my classes.

(I'm in Communication Studies, which in application involves a lot of sociology.  One recurring theme is that humans are good at identifying only three emotions - happy, angry, and sad. This is what I'm thinking about in relation to these observations.)

I'm getting a sense that "happy" is being applied rather liberally. As in "if I'm not angry, or sad, then I must be happy". There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't think it really reflect most people's reality. Maybe it's just me, but if I was to assess my state of mind routinely, I think most of the time my emotional state would be "neutral", neither happy not sad, mostly preoccupied by whatever I'm doing. Any thoughts?

Second observation is related to how adherents are being measured. When theists start throwing around numbers, I question if they are factoring the general population increase into their opinions of the raw data. It seems that comparing ratios over time, or percentages by divisions (as broad or as narrow as one would want) to each other and the total population at any given point. Am I missing something, or would that be a more accurate representation of the size of any particular religion versus another in terms of the conversion or growth rates that theist sometimes use as an argument in support of their beliefs?

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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #545 on: May 25, 2014, 11:07:00 AM »
1) Happiness is a good determinant of truth.  You know that many times, people are much happier with lies ("You don't look fat in that dress." "Your puppy is in heaven chasing rabbits all day." "A man gives you a big diamond like that, he must really love you." "This lotto ticket is a sure fire winner!" )
No I'm not saying that.

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2) If most people do something, it must be correct. You know that popular things that "everyone" does are often wrong: Slavery was a commonly accepted practice all over the world from the beginnings of human history until the 20th century. Most people in Germany went along with the Nazis. Most people in the Middle Ages went along with burning witches.
I'm not saying that neither. Ask before you explode.

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What you are implying is that the main argument for checking out Christianity is to jump on the bandwagon, not because it is actually true, but because it is popular, and seems to make people happy.
Not at all.

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Here is what you are saying: When there were only a handful of Christians in the world, and did not make very many people happy, it must have been a lie. Nowadays, there are two billion members, and most are happy, so it must be true.
Again your words not mine. Stop putting words on my back.

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So, when, exactly did it become true?
When what?

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You also ignore the fact that certain religions have more members because people who had that faith conquered and enslaved more people. The Jains and Bahai's, for example, are very peaceful religions and do not conquer or enslave anyone. They mind their own business, don't try to get their religion made into law and don't try to push conversion on others. They will never become world dominating religions that way, and might even die out. Yet, they are as happy and as likely to be true as any other religion.
I don't ignore them at all. You are the one ignoring them at the moment.

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If you live in Iran or India, you see very few Christians around, and those few are not happy. So, what reason would you have for investigating that religion? None, according to you. Most people around you are Muslim or Hindu and most of them are happy. Case closed.
Your own case then. Not mine.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #546 on: May 25, 2014, 11:09:50 AM »
Your argument can be reduced to “Eat s**t, one trillion flies cannot be wrong.”
I would not say that. I would say "hey look at this many happy people, there must be a reason why they are happy! let's have a look"

This sounds pretty dishonest, because you aren't just having a look. You have started with your conclusion FIRST, and are now trying to defend it no matter what. That is backwards, and quite hypocritical since you likely don't do this with other supernatural claims. Happiness is not a determining factor of whether or not a supernatural claim is true. Again, you keep resorting to these subjective internal and wholly personal self-diagnoses as the standard of how we ought to separate fact from fiction. Such a method is unreliable since we know human beings tell lies, exaggerate, self dilute, make grievous errors, and misinterpret their said experiences all the time. So again, you aren't providing any reliable foundation for determining whether these alleged miracle claims actually occurred. It's just more obfuscating and attempts at rationalizing away the fact that you do not have independently demonstrable evidence.
I'm sorry, did you have the impression that I was trying to prove the existence of miracles? I already did that a long time ago. I have moved on, you should too.
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You have started with your conclusion FIRST, and are now trying to defend it no matter what
What are you talking about!? Which conclusion?
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #547 on: May 25, 2014, 11:18:07 AM »
I think most of the time my emotional state would be "neutral", neither happy not sad, mostly preoccupied by whatever I'm doing. Any thoughts?
I agree, there is a state called "neutral". It's been a while since I've been in that state, I call it "bored" these days.

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Am I missing something, or would that be a more accurate representation of the size of any particular religion versus another in terms of the conversion or growth rates that theist sometimes use as an argument in support of their beliefs?
Maybe you should precise whom statistics you are referring to. I talked about conversion rate on many occasion.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #548 on: May 25, 2014, 12:22:35 PM »
Do you recognize that my post was very general, and not directed at you in particular or specific?

In fact, of anyone who may read this post, your input is likely to be the least useful.

Again, we're obviously defining various emotional states quite differently. "Preoccupied with whatever I'm doing" by definition would be in direct opposition to your declaration of "boredom".

"Enjoying what I'm doing" is not the same as "happy", at least not to me. Happy signifies more than "in a good mood", happy would be at least a step above an ordinary day. It's fleeting, not an ongoing semi-permanent state. I don't believe in deities of any sort, and I can confidently assert that my day to day mood is better as a free-thinking student of both college and of life. The absence of any lingering god-beliefs has measurably improved my mood overall, and I'm somewhat happier, somewhat more often, as a result. It makes me genuinely happy to grasp an idea that I wouldn't have been able to comprehend before learning to think critically. Realizing that I don't actually believe in any gods was the first step in an ongoing journey in educating myself about reality and the world I live in right here and now. Because this life is the only time I know beyond question that I have available to me, it serves me best to see reality as clearly as possible without relying on an unproven and unprovable extra assumption.

Whether a god exists or not is almost beside the point. Have the humility to admit that your interpretation of a book written and selectively edited for the last 2,000 years is unique to you and in no way provides any proof that they accurately represent objective reality.

If you think the best way for you to live your life is to get online and proclaim your unending happiness and delight at wandering through life grinning like a fool, please go right ahead. But you ought not be surprised if most people find it laughably difficult to take anything you say seriously as a result.
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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #549 on: May 25, 2014, 05:08:25 PM »
Lukvance, you yourself said that if many people are Christians, and they seem to be happy, it is worth looking into. You are either implying that numbers plus happiness equals truth, or that it does not matter if Christianity is true or not. Isn't it possible that a religion could be true even though it has very few members and they are unhappy? Perhaps because they are persecuted by the majority?

If numbers do not matter (and I agree with that), why do you keep telling us that there are more converts to Christianity per year, and citing references that show Christianity to have more members?

Can you explain why else anyone should "look into" Christianity (instead of the Bahai faith, for example), besides numbers and perceived levels of happiness among members?


Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Why can't/wont god heal amputees?
« Reply #550 on: May 25, 2014, 08:11:55 PM »
Isn't it possible that a religion could be true even though it has very few members and they are unhappy? Perhaps because they are persecuted by the majority?
Yes. Christians at the beginning weren't as many as they are now. (they were few and persecuted even if not by the majority)

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If numbers do not matter (and I agree with that), why do you keep telling us that there are more converts to Christianity per year, and citing references that show Christianity to have more members?
I was answering a question or correcting a mistake. Look up when I used these numbers.

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Can you explain why else anyone should "look into" Christianity (instead of the Bahai faith, for example), besides numbers and perceived levels of happiness among members?
I can think of many reasons why.
Testimonies like mine should make it interesting to look into.
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