Quote from Foxy Freedom
The universe doesn't need human error to mess things up. There is a law of thermodynamics which says - if it can go wrong it will. Now that sounds like a thoughtful design for a god to put in the universe, or was that particular law Satan's invention after Yahweh lost control?
I thought that was Murphy
Anyway, sometimes it feels as though it hardly matters what we say because theists will always find a way to twist it to their own ends. As long as you call it a "law", they will claim that god designed it to work that way, even if that does mean chaotically. There are only two possible reasons for anything in their minds; either it was designed perfectly by god according to his plan, or it was corrupted due to sin.
Somehow, though, I've never heard a really good reason for god's perfect plan to include sin, though. Free will doesn't cut it, because if you subscribe to that, it simply means that sin was somehow part of the plan to begin with, so god can hardly be pissed about it.
How about that for a Biblical issue, Skeptic? I know it's been asked in many iterations before, but I don't recall ever hearing an answer. God created the garden, Adam and Eve, etc, perfect. What was his plan? Did his plan get messed up from the very start (since he must have known that giving them free will would inevitably lead to sin sooner or later)? If so, it wasn't much of a plan to begin with. Or did his plan include sin, the fall, and the subsequent events which would lead to Jesus' redemption? If so, then why would he be so angry about sin? Where would his plan have been without it?
edited to add the quote I was responding to