Theists have been saying this since man has recorded God we just did not have a world wide web to be as interconnected as we are today.
Whoop-de-fucking-do ! Yeah people say lots of things, why do YOU
keep repeating this crap about what theists say. YOU
are just picking out what YOU
like and calling those people theists.
Read this sentence very carefully, stop fucking repeating yourself, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND IT IS MEANINGLESS!
Read this sentence very carefully, just because I don’t submit and agree to what you are saying, DOES NOT MEAN I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOU!
Read this sentence very carefully, what you are saying is false thinking, I DO NOT SUBMIT OR AGREE TO FALSE THINKING!YOU
have yet to prove anything except that you are very adept at writing meaningless mumbo jumbo. Sod off.
Again however, you are the one with claims about knowing "God". I am not claiming anything. It is in the books of theists or in the recorded works that others have written about theists. The claim is made by theists who know God.
You’re not claiming anything? Almost EVERYTHING you write is a FUCKING claim. Some claims I can live with like there are books about theists claiming to know “God”. Most of your claims are about you asserting your way, giving an ultimatum. Sod off.
They have not imagined it or created out of thin air as atheists claim they have.
^^^^^^ See, there is a claim. Are you capable of comprehending that you just claimed that “They have not imagined it or created out of thin air”?
You see, the position of atheism doesn’t have to claim anything, in fact it specifically doesn’t claim anything. I don’t have to claim that “Theists imagined God”, all I have to do is ask for sufficient evidence that they knew “God”. None exists?!??!! Well that is strange, well how about some sufficient evidence that “God” exists? WHAT IS THAT, NO EVIDENCE?!?!?! Oh gee, isn’t that a shame, all your wasted effort.
Hey I was pulling for you. I wouldn’t be asking for evidence if I wasn’t interested in actually knowing that “God” exists. There is no need for you to lie though and pretend you have evidence, if you had any, you would have shared by now. Sod off.
They say so in their books today.
Yeah, like I said. People say lots of things. Without evidence, something untrue is meaningless. Sod off.
Theists say one should know the difference between a person imagining God to be because his thoughts words and deeds would betray him "by their actions and words we will know them". A claimant is easily removed because he has a lower thinking and it has lust greed ego in it.
That is a very poor method for knowing the difference between imagining you know “God’ and actually knowing “God”. In fact, that might be the most gullible and inaccurate method possible.
You want to know a good method? ASK FOR SOME FUCKING EVIDENCE! Sod off.
I am asking for evidence that there is a "God" and that there is a connection between "God" and consciousness.Everyone is asking this question -- but theists answer you are created in that image and likeness.
And again, people say lots of things. Sod off.
There is nothing they have that you don't have that is different than them.
So you agree that there is no evidence. Sod off.
It is the direction you keep choosing that lowers your conscious awareness. That direction is one of ignoring the higher conscious awareness in you to follow sinning with the mind and its desires - Pinocchio story you need to listen to your conscious.
Ah there it is! There is that deep seeded hatred in you Jesuis. You think I have a lower conscious awareness, that I am ignoring the higher conscious awareness so I can sin with the mind and its desires. It’s all about me wanting to sin, is that right.
OH LORDY, I’M SO SORRY, I WAS JUST NOT BELIEVEN SO I COULD SIN. This works in real life too, I can walk into a bank and just ignore that anyone is there and just take all the money and walk right out, no cops or anyone tries to stop me.
Moron. You have no clue how small minded you are. Sod off.
Yes indeed. Every individual letter has its own personal character - The electricity does not differ in its supply. Every tree, every animal every form of life is unique. But at its core there is consciousness to exist and that is sustained for a predetermined time. Each life has its own purpose. That is the God spark that supplies that energy for consciousness to experience that what is available in that life form. Theists say the human being has the capability to know that connection life has with the all conscious.
Uh huh. So why not lay out all the steps to test your idea instead of just babbling on about meaningless nothings?
Don’t be mistaken in thinking I don’t understand you, I understand you perfectly, the problem is, like I said, everything you say is babble about meaningless nothings.
You see, I can show that pressing the G key causes the letter g to appear. What can you show? Babble about meaningless nothings? Sod off.
Any hypothesis regarding what happens when we press the G key can be verified or falsified.We are aware of our every thought word or deed and should be aware by verifying if we are taking a direction to a higher place or to a lower place observed by our eternal consciousness or relative to our humanity.
I have already verified that I am taking a direction to a higher place as been observed by my eternal consciousness relative to my humanity. Sod off.
The same is true of consciousness. For instance, here is an article from the University of Virginia about how we might test for consciousness of a potentially sentient computer program. This is not about consciousness. It is about programs.
Who made you judge of what consciousness is or is not? You do not seem qualified at all. Sod off.
We are testing for consciousness in order to determine when it is present and when it is lost in humans. http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/are-you-aware-science-getting-closer-measurable-assessment-consciousnessSo long as life is in form there is consciousness in it having some sort of experience.
Yet again another claim with no evidence. Sod off.
The same is not true however regarding the existence of Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and tooth fairy.These are the creations of the mind.They are not real or conscious. Only that which is all conscious creates consciousness.
Please show me how “only that which is all conscious creates consciousness” is not a creation of the mind. Show me how consciousness is created. Show me this all consciousness.
Presents exist right? Easter eggs exist right? Consciousness exists right?
Only that which is Santa Claus can create Presents, therefore Santa Claus exists!
Only that which is the Easter Bunny can create Easter eggs, therefore the Easter Bunny exists!
Only that which is all conscious can create consciousness, therefore “God” exists!
There! You said it. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are creations of the mind, just like that which is all conscious. Sod off.
Can you provide more evidence for the existence of "God" than what can be provided for the existence of Santa Claus? Theists have much proof for the existence of God -- God is everywhere and all conscious. Life is a part of the All Conscious.
You keep repeating that over and over, yet you don’t provide any evidence. Sod off.
Can you provide more evidence for the connection between "God" and consciousness than what can be provided for the connection between Santa Claus and the north pole?Santa is a creation of the mind. Everything the mind creates is imaginary and illusive. Theists say God is the reality of everything external and internal. The mind is standing between the reality or realms and the consciousness and it must be stilled for one to experience that truth.
I’ll take your response as a no, you cannot provide more evidence than that which is imaginary therefore your connection between “God” and consciousness is imaginary. Someone simply saying that something is real is meaningless without evidence. Sod off.
You have indicated that "Theists know God and that atheists don't", which is merely your belief so you believe that "Theists know God". You believe that "God" exists.I am bringing the idea to the gnostic atheists so that we can do the critical thinking through an unbiased and scientific query.
Why do you not require evidence that "Theists" know "God" or that "God" exists?
I myself am an agnostic atheist, and you can’t provide even the slightest of evidence for someone who doesn’t know, how do you ever hope to reach someone who claims to be gnostic.
You have failed miserably at critical thinking through an unbiased and scientific query. Sod off.
The title of that thread was to open the debate.
It was, until you started asserting your way or the highway ultimatums. Sod off.
From that tittle I was able to realize that we needed to identify this element of the theists "woo" words Consciousness.
You were able to assert your 'way or the highway' ultimatums. Sod off.
Since this is their trump card and no atheists have understood it maybe they have been making false claims
You are confusing understanding with acceptance. Just because we don’t accept your claims as truth doesn’t mean we don’t understand them. Sod off.
-- what they are saying that there is no God could be a false claim
You’re actually not wrong here. Saying there is no god could be a false claim. I missed where anyone has actually claimed that there is no god. I myself have made no such claim.
I’m still waiting for you to provide any evidence whatsoever that a god exists. Don’t give me more crap about consciousness or life or the universe is evidence for “God”, as none of that proves that “God” exists, it only proves that consciousness, life or the universe exists. In what way is “God” not imaginary? Because someone said “God” is real? Is that all you got?
Not enough, because like I said, people say lots of things. People have said dragons, unicorns and the Loch Ness Monster are real, should I believe they exist as well? Sod off.
ie that somehow it is scientific wisdom that there is no god.
Scientific wisdom expects evidence for things that exist. If your god was real, science would prove it, instead what we actually see is complete silence from science about “God”, just like there is complete silence about unicorns, banshees, dragons, leprechauns and fairies. We have probably have over 8 thousand years of humans believing in gods and what do we have to show for it? Jack shit, and Jack skipped town.
The scientific method starts commonly being used probably 500 or 600 years ago and we put a FUCKING man on the moon, YOU are interacting with people from all over the world on the FUCKING internet. Sod off.
Atheists from what I am gathering is that they are as closed minded and as bigoted as the Romans were when they were spreading Christianity across EuropeYOU
came here FUCKER, YOU
are the Romans coming here to spread YOUR
religion. We ask you for evidence and somehow we are close minded and bigoted.
have put forth another ultimatum. Sod off.
- while ignoring everyone else or any truths being told to them. They don't want to know the truth but to dictate what the truth is - thus stifling humanity, stifling the compassion of being able to love thy enemy as they self, it is the love aspect that is God and conscious, they lack the awareness of respect for the believers as they pursue some selfish agenda on dehumanizing mankind.
You just described yourself. YOU
are ignoring the points being made. YOU
are dictating what the truth is. YOUR
way stifles humanity. YOUR
way stifles the compassion of being able to love thy enemy as thy self. YOU
lack the awareness of respect for everyone no matter what they believe or don't believe. YOU
pursue a selfish agenda. YOU
seek to dehumanize human kind.
Without some moral authority some higher ethical standard they have no real good human agenda. If you listen to any gnostic atheists you never hear of the higher humane authority that they are seeking. All you hear is their selfishness which comes from mind and desire and how unconnected they are from the path of the theists.
The moral authority you speak of is a dictatorship, it is a selfish agenda for one person to rule others. YOU
seek to dictate the truth with selfishness that comes from YOUR
mind and desires.
I'm done with your brand of incompetence jesuis.
OK But no one has asked you "believe" -- only to be "aware" of what you think say and do. Once that is cleared up you can feel free you run around with your head in the sky saying I am not believer. But you are accountable for your own thoughts words and deeds. It is as simple as that. You reap what you sow.
Blah blah blah blah blah. You set the ultimatum and it doesn't matter what you call it to try and make it sound nice."Oh I'm not telling you what to believe, I'm just telling you to be aware ...."
Take your ultimatums and shove them up your ass. Your brand is nothing more than a dictatorship which subjugates with ignorance and fear. Sod off.
EDIT: I see Jesuis is now being moderated. Didn't realize that until after I posted.
I got one last thing to say to you Jesuis.
EVIDENCE! Do you have any?!?! 'Theists say' aint no evidence I've ever heard of. They speak English in 'theists say'? ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER, do you speak it? Say 'theists say' again. Say 'theists say' again. I dare you. I doubledare you motherfucker, say 'theists say' one more damn time!