You must have missed the lesson where black is defined as the absence of light. If there is an absence of light, you don’t see anything. Your retinal nerves do not react.
That is signals interpreted by the eyes .... seeing is determined somewhere else. They can hook up devices to the visual cortex of the brain. Seeing is not light entering the eyes.
Very dark, or without light? You can make an effort to see, but this is simply a figurative idiom. If there is no light, the retinal nerves simply do not send signals to the brain. it's like trying to switch on a torch with a dead battery. The idea that you have control over what you see is ridiculous – think about it.
No it is not! The faculty of seeing is a conscious attempt at looking .. if you are in a dark room where there is no light you are still attempting to see although you see nothing. Seeing is the observation being made before light enters the eyes. You are seeing the darkness. The same with hearing.. Hearing does not stop if there is nothing to hear. Your attention on the seeing or hearing brings that focus into your conscious sphere.
What has that to do with anyone. These bogus peasants, how do we know that their teachers were not mad or charlatans?
You have an intellect. Are they really bogus peasants? You called Kirpal Singh an idiot. Your intellect has failed you and some others on here it would seem. Basically you are beginning to sound like a christian with no way of moving forward. So God did not do it. Isn't that intellectually lazy. Best stick with the bible. You are good at that. We all know that argument though - so why stick with it --- Step out of your comfort zone - explore some more or continue arguing with the bible belt - it is a dead end story.
A garage is not a car: it is there to contain a car.
Yes but it was designed for that purpose.
What does that even mean. It is another one of those trite sentences that appear to mean something deep but fails to use words understandably. And why are you talking in 18th century English? It doesn’t make it any more comprehensible.
Never heard of poetry or mysticism? This is a form of coding that you do not understand unless you are schooled to.
You mean that one-eyed men have glowing bodies?
Not really, But if you were observing your body from the surface of the Higgs Boson you would see this. According to the theists you would see the power source as light and the light is distributed around the entire body as colours of light. You would see complex nodes like transformers called chakras that ensure a smoothe running of the system around those areas. You would see Nadis. All is responding to your desire and your thinking and the foods, the drugs and the alcohol that is put into the system. They see what is good for it and what is bad for it.
Good. Dspite the poor English, you are saying that we get our information from our senses – we are agreed.
If we understood that .. then you would understand that the signals need to be interpreted analysed and presented as something by something. I am looking at the moon but the moon is not in my head, I am looking into space but it is not in my head. All that is in there is signals, but the seeing apparatus can be rigged via the visual cortex and signals can be presented to the observer of things that are not there. The seeing is not the eyes these are instruments that the conscious observer has evolved so that it can be aware of the external environment it exists in.
Which “body” First you say there are openings in the body, then you say that this body is consciousness. You are confused.
The conscious observer interprets the signals that enter the body through various openings that feed it information of the external world - that is what makes the consciousness become more and more body conscious from birth to death.
Oh… I see… ignore what you experience. Enter a state of sensory deprivation and have delusions.
No! Stop focusing your attention only on the body signals. Your attention has many functions.
Or as we say, “sensory deprivation.”
You said it was akin to torture. Meditation is not torture. Some people go to sensory deprivation tanks willingly. They pay for that treatment. But even then it is not meditation. Meditation involves the consciousness moving its attention from Body to mind to spirit.
Why is this a bad thing? We can have a mind and a desire to help everyone.
Because we are not utilising the body for its maximum potential - we have a highly sophisticated mechanism that is fine tuned away from what it is truly designed for. Which is to become fully consciously aware - Doctors today say babies have ESP and can understand all languages - if we devoted all of our time only at the level of the physical body consciousness then we are under utilising the mechanism. As we grow older we become more rigid to the reality that our body is capable off.
Well, some of us have to earn a living you know. You can’t live on fresh air.
Indeed. But there is a lot of time that is wasted too.
“Inner light”… “Inner light?” What does that even mean? Where is it? Is it like the delusions caused by sensory deprivation?
If you see darkness when your eyes are closed. You are still conscious. When your attention has fully collected at the single or third eye or the tenth door then the inner eye begins to open. The more you practice it you will be able to use it to see into the beyond. This evolutionary eye only happens when you have fine tuned the instrument away from the things that stir the mind in a negative way. This is called sinning. Cause it lowers your ability to see the truth of yourself. Hence a pure life, a highly morally aware and conscious life. All scientific to the self aware. This is the doorway or the third eye that opens up that NDE's and OBE's and spiritual travelers talk about that allows them to enter a higher region of conscious awareness.
Then there is no hope for theists. There is no science there. I have told you the science behind it.
The theists are not asking you for your hope for them. They know how to repeatedly go within. There is a science behind this ability. Not because you say it isn't means you are right. You are not doing their science. Since the dawn of mankind - man has recorded his spiritual experiences - he has talked about the same door way into the inner realms. Only those studying that science ie the theists who were taught and then teach the path to becoming self aware. They understand the problems they have with the deluded, the inhumane, the drunk, the drugged and the lack of humanity, who at the drop of a kerchief will be willing to destroy all their work.
But this is a bad thing. There is the correct way to see and understand things and these things are accepted by you and I – then there are delusions and conclusions arrived at without any information, just wild, uneducated guesses.
Meditation is growing across the world . Theists have been promoting it and science is now supporting it. Where is the bad you claim? You are not keeping up with current affairs. There is no delusion in meditation, there is delusion in misinformation. You are doing a lot of that today.
And in the several thousand years of Indian culture, what has this achieved? A world class caste system, grinding poverty, inequality, no medicine or science to speak of, no inventions, ignorance, etc.
So why is all this a good thing?
India is a country of invading cultures. Each setting up a system of their own upon the peaceful people that once lived there. But somehow all eventually find some peace and harmony with nature considering the amount of life that is being protected by the thinking that has taken root in the minds of the people. There are more simple and good humane people with a lot less in this part of the world than in many other parts of the world. Granted the rich and greedy keeps getting richer off the good people everywhere.
Jesuis,You need to stop all this mystic stuff. It’s not doing you or anyone else any good at all.
I need answers, not people trampling on my investigative nature. If you say there is no God you need to answer the woo questions raised by the theists. Or it would appear as if you are trying to pull the lid over my eyes by constantly redefining the words.
You have been thinking this way for too long. It is time to enter the real world.
I have lived that life already - I am on a new quest especially now that Quantum physics is getting more interesting. I can no longer hang on to the old way of thinking like you do.
The one on mystic inner eyes and illuminated bodies is OK for a 17 year old hippy girl who will grow out of it, but a guy of your age comes across as having an inability to realise what the world is about.
That is just condescending nonsense as we are on the verge of a new way of thinking since we have discovered the Higgs Boson. You have problems explaining what the seeing mechanism is even at this level of science, you also will have problems explaining what the hearing mechanism is and we know you definitely have no clue what consciousness is and absolutely no idea what or where life comes from to energize life fors and their programs.
What is your real world if not some concoction of untruths?
How do you know what you know if not through some story to give it some perspective?
Theists work from what they know - Scientists work backwards.
However, according to theists they will still have to reach the same conclusions when they have reached that level of observing the same truths. The only mechanism or instrument that can detect consciousness in its true form is with consciousness itself.
I find it difficult to understand anyone who is not interested in the real reasons behind their beliefs and, instead, swallows hook, line and sinker, the rabid babblings of mendicant and deluded peasants.
Your difficulty in understanding comes from you and it is what I am trying to explain to help with that. I have supplied many books to indicate what I am thinking now and where my vision of angle of vision is changing. I used to think like you before. I have changed my perspective over time because of what I am reading. Why do you think you failed to convince me that what you think is real is actually real? Because I have answered all your questions - but you have not answered my questions accurately - you have what the theists are saying but you insist on your dogma, you simply dismiss it as woo - why is that? You cll them idiots and peasants out of spite - why is that ? is that you clinging to your Dogma? I understand everything you have provided by way of explanation but it lacks authenticity - you have not given anything new, and a lot of it outdated.
What is life -- you got nothing
What is consciousness - you got nothing
What is truth - it is something that cannot change.
What is atheism if not the opposite of theism?
Theists are saying what they know and they are claiming you don't. And even when you are faced with the facts of the theists you dismiss it as nothing. Why is that? Dogma, bad programming - what?