What is this "different angle"? How do we know this view is true? Do they have another part of the brain to do this or do they have a different brain to ordinary people?When we examine their lives we can see what they did whether it was based on lower or higher consciousness. Our consciousness can tell the acts of someone with higher or lower consciousness. We use our conscious awareness all the time to navigate our way around the world.
Look, jesuis, what you do not seem to understand is that humans can train their brain to be efficient at various tasks: they also can train their brain to be irrational, to see visions, etc. I can't train mine to respond to your questions accurately. Why should I accept what you say?
Have you ever considered, say, a great artist? Why can he paint pictures better than you? Probably because he has practised for years and his neurons are trained so that he can control the brush, identify the shades and colours, imagine great scenes.Yes but you have problems with the accuracy of this statement. If you were sure then someone like me can say thats right. I can do that too. But you indicate you have no clue so it becomes word salad not so. Probably this and probably that is not telling me anything that you know.
So it is with these people you mention. The start by thinking something that is not proven. Then they start to get obsessed by it, then they spend years imagining that they have found the "final answer!" They train their brain, but they do not train it correctly. Nothing any of those you mentioned can be tested, or if it can, it is blindingly obvious.Can you do it?
Mystic idiots have been entertaining people since the dawn of mankind - telling stories that they are convinced are correct. If you really want some answer, go and study evolution and evolutionary advantage, have a look at psychology and psychiatry, read some history - they all explain a lot and you don't have to believe in an invisible sky-pixie who poofs things into existence and orders nations destroyed.Lets not do that. You know nothing about mystics.
I know more about mystics than you have forgotten. They are people who sit in darkened rooms without any data and arrive at a conclusion that has no basis in fact. All of them are wrong. But, the gullible out there support them because the gullible can't or don't want to think for themselves, and so instead, they latch on to the first idea that seems plausible. The gullible are most impressed by ranting people with long hair and scant regard for personal hygiene.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Consciousness is a by-product of evolution.
This is basically a reply to jesuis and his total amazement with “consciousness” which he thinks is a mysterious, ethereal substance that pervades the universe and (against all logic) can exist on “its own”.
The following is not complete but the broad outline. The Wiki Article on the brainWiki
is a good starting point, and I have taken some of the following from it.
OK: explaining consciousness:
Plants and trees have a system of phototropism and geotropism: the upper part is drawn towards light and the root-system down into the earth. It does not matter if a seed falls the right way up or upside down, the sprout for the roots goes down and the sprout for the tree itself goes up.
Primitive creatures, such as bacteria, insects, etc., are attracted or repelled by heat, light, moisture, etc. They have evolved to the extent that this involuntary compulsion will allow them to find protection and food.
A dog, when given a certain stimulus, will wag its tail. A frog and a cat will both find themselves compelled to chase/catch something small that moves. The difference is that the frog will snap at anything that moves like a bug, whereas a cat will make a decision based upon what it sees.
In the case of a frog, it is not a conscious decision. In the case of the plants, it is a chemical function. In insects, it is sensitive cells that do the job independent of anything that the insect might be better off doing
All that is required for the bodily functions to cause the creature a successful existence and life is contained within the cerebrum of reptiles and fish. The surface of the cerebrum is lined with the pallium. The pallium gives the creature some very small ability to learn and adapt.
In mammals, the pallium evolves into the far more complex neocortex, the hippocampus and amygdale.
The superior colliculus, which plays a major role in visual control of behaviour in most vertebrates
, shrinks to a small size in mammals, and many of its functions are taken over by visual areas of the cerebral cortex
. The cerebellum of mammals contains a large portion (the neocerebellum) dedicated to supporting the cerebral cortex, which has no counterpart in other vertebrates.
When we come to mankind, we see that the primate brain comes from a massive expansion of the cerebral cortex, especially the prefrontal cortex and the parts of the cortex involved in vision.
The prefrontal cortex carries out functions that include planning, working memory, motivation, attention, and executive control. It takes up a much larger proportion of the brain for primates than for other species, and an especially large fraction of the human brain.
So we now see that, particularly primates
have two distinct parts to the brain. One that, like the lesser creatures, controls the autonomic nervous system and over which we have little control, and the greater system that allows us to be fully aware of our surroundings – even unimportant parts – and react according to individual circumstances. It is the effects of this greater part that we call consciousness/the conscious.
When you look at history and the founders of religion, none of them knew any of this. They did not know it as dissection of human bodies was not allowed for religious reasons. They never thought to experiment. They observed common traits and, where they could not explain certain behaviours, they said, “God did it.”
We have moved on from this point. We have done the right thing. The god of the gaps has retreated. We know what consciousness is and why it came about and no gods are involved.