I think solipsism is an interesting philosophical position, but it's certainly not a particularly useful view for day-to-day life.
A pragmatic middle ground: Perhaps this is all an illusion in the mind, but until such time as I can control the illusion I'll just play along as if it is real.
The belief that things can exist independently of all minds is what leads people to atheism. It makes people think that things can exist and happen without God. It is the very foundation of atheism. Berkeley knew this and squashed it with immaterialism.
Gee, Skep, are you actually allowed to proclaim Berkeley as the final word without discussion? If so, that's pretty cool. Such power. I'm impressed.
I think he just puts random stupid into a meaningless paragraph.
The belief that things can exist independently of all minds is what leads people to atheism.
And yet nobody has had this belief, except atheists, who are a largely small group of people, who came to this conclusion out of whimsy.
Note that Skep uses "ALL minds", implying that it is normal for people to believe in materialism without God. (God is the last mind.)
... and yet religious people since the dawn of time have believed in materialism. And has to be logically irrelevant to whether there is a God or not.
It makes people think that things can exist and happen without God.
No. People would only believe that, if they believed it to start with. It is likely that none of this crap would ever enter the discussion.
It is the very foundation of atheism.
No, it's a CONCLUSION that people come to, based (a) whimsy and (b) no evidence of God. And it can only be concluded if you start with that presumption, which almost nobody here does, except Skep's straw man.
Berkeley knew this and squashed it with immaterialism.
Great, so God is a liar. God in his famous book states that he made the world in 7 days, which is something he wouldn't bother to mention, if it was immaterial.
I believe Skep's fallacy is presuming that God has the same type of mind, as the people God created. That is to say, Berkeley is irrelevant to any discussion on the subject, esp. with Skep in it, because Skep has a third type of mind - the absolutely vacant mind.