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Another child dies through religion
« on: March 01, 2014, 10:42:13 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-26382654

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The Old Bailey heard the boy's medical care was neglected because of his parents' religious beliefs.
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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2014, 10:48:36 AM »
Well the couple got off lightly I would say. 3 1/2 years means they will be out in half that time - less than 2 years. Seems very lenient punishment for the life of a child.
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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2014, 10:54:16 AM »
Well the couple got off lightly I would say. <snip> Seems very lenient punishment for the life of a child.

I'd agree, if it weren't for their consciences. Assuming religion hasn't gotten rid of those along with common sense, reason, and logic.
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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2014, 11:02:54 AM »
Well the couple got off lightly I would say. <snip> Seems very lenient punishment for the life of a child.

I'd agree, if it weren't for their consciences. Assuming religion hasn't gotten rid of those along with common sense, reason, and logic.

Why would they feel guily when it was obviously god's will?
Actually it doesn't. One could conceivably be all-powerful but not exceptionally intelligent.

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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2014, 11:10:19 AM »
Why would they feel guily when it was obviously god's will?

Not all theists are gnostic, although, according to this forum's statistics, the ones who claim gnosticism outnumber the ones who claim the opposite. Regardless, claiming to be a gnostic theist and being one are not the same thing. To paraphrase (because I don't recall the exact quote and am too lazy to look it up) House:
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You can tell me you put your faith in God to get through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.
Theists who have faith (true faith; not that "I have faith that God has my well being in mind, but I'm afraid of dying"-type "faith" BS the vast majority of theists have) are few and far between.
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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2014, 11:17:30 AM »
Why would they feel guily when it was obviously god's will?

Not all theists are gnostic, although, according to this forum's statistics, the ones who claim gnosticism outnumber the ones who claim the opposite. Regardless, claiming to be a gnostic theist and being one are not the same thing.

True enough, but the theist wouldn't have to be gnostic to rationalize away their mistake. You as well as anyone know how people of all stripes can pick and choose.
Actually it doesn't. One could conceivably be all-powerful but not exceptionally intelligent.

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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2014, 11:24:52 AM »
True enough, but the theist wouldn't have to be gnostic to rationalize away their mistake.

I'm betting their conscience will win that fight.

You as well as anyone know how people of all stripes can pick and choose.

Indeed.
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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2014, 01:35:13 PM »

Not all theists are gnostic, although, according to this forum's statistics, the ones who claim gnosticism outnumber the ones who claim the opposite. Regardless, claiming to be a gnostic theist and being one are not the same thing.

I disagree. The only people who can claim to be agnostic theists are deists. Every other religion proclaims some sort of revealed knowledge...hence gnostic.
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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2014, 01:36:33 PM »
I disagree. The only people who can claim to be agnostic theists are deists. Every other religion proclaims some sort of revealed knowledge...hence gnostic.

Ever met a theist whose beliefs were consistent?
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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2014, 04:07:22 PM »
Response of the 7th Day Adventist Church to the verdict
390 words and nothing has been said. The parents were not "reasl" SDAs and SDA Church is still right: no concessions made.

So Christian, aren't they? Never admit a mistake, never take the blame.
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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2014, 08:21:49 PM »
I disagree. The only people who can claim to be agnostic theists are deists. Every other religion proclaims some sort of revealed knowledge...hence gnostic.

Ever met a theist whose beliefs were consistent?

I didn't say they made sense. I said they stated they knew this or that about God.
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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2014, 05:09:13 AM »
I didn't say they made sense. I said they stated they knew this or that about God.

Check my House quote on my second reply (overall reply #5/post #6) to this thread. What they claim to believe in and their actual beliefs are very different things.
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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2014, 09:47:59 AM »
I didn't say they made sense. I said they stated they knew this or that about God.

Check my House quote on my second reply (overall reply #5/post #6) to this thread. What they claim to believe in and their actual beliefs are very different things.

I contend they actually believe this crap, while they are saying it. However, when it comes time to test it, when their comfort, finances, and health are to be harmed, not so much.
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Re: Another child dies through religion
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2014, 09:51:31 AM »
I contend they actually believe this crap, while they are saying it. However, when it comes time to test it, when their comfort, finances, and health are to be harmed, not so much.

And I contend the opposite, as evidenced by the fact that they abandon their proclaimed beliefs when it comes time to show them. It's like someone saying they're generous, then refusing to donate to charity (or to anything, really) and hoarding all their possessions and/or spending their money on themselves.
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