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When Christians Omit...
« on: February 18, 2014, 08:33:11 PM »
I've been a member of imdb.com going on 13 years, I'm there a lot, more than here (believe it or not) and there are adverts everywhere for "Son of God" which is just The Bible miniseries that showed on cable...whenever...cut down to probably a couple of hours. I read at wiki that they changed and omitted certain parts in the series (as in the movie since it's basically the same thing just with other things edited out, and other things added in) and apparently the Bible.

Such as The_Bible_(TV_miniseries)Wiki:

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In the book of Genesis, the angelic visitors were approached by Lot who insisted that they stay with him. Then they feasted with Lot in his home. The series shows the angels approaching Lot, begging for help with no hospitality extended to them.[34] (Genesis 19:1-5)
The text describes a mob gathered outside of Lot's home wanting to rape his two angelic visitors, and Lot offering his daughters instead. The series omits this.[35][36] (Genesis 19:4-10)
At the destruction of Sodom, the series shows the angels slaughtering some of the city's inhabitants. Critics refer to these as "Ninja Angels". This is not in the text.[37] (Genesis 19:1-17)
The series shows Abraham traveling with Isaac, a very short distance to the place where he was to sacrifice his son. In the Bible it is a three day journey and the two are accompanied by a donkey and two attendants.[38] (Genesis 22:1-4)
The series shows Sarah running after Abraham once she realizes he is going to sacrifice Isaac. This is not in the text.[39] (Genesis 22:1-19)
In the Binding of Isaac, the text describes a ram (adult) caught by its horns in a thicket. The miniseries depicts a juvenile lamb caught by its leg[40] (Genesis 22:13)
After David's affair with Bathsheba and the killing of Uriah the Hittite, he is confronted by Nathan. The series depicts David as resistant or even indignant, whereas in the text, David is remorseful for his sin and admits his guilt, leading him to write Psalm 51 and beg forgiveness from God[41] (2 Samuel 12:13, Psalms 51)
When the Babylonians destroy Jerusalem, Jeremiah is depicted as escaping unnoticed by the invaders. In the text Jeremiah is captured, bound in chains and later released[40] (Jeremiah 39:11-40:6)
The show depicts Daniel and his three compatriots being captured during the siege, when in fact, they were deported more than a decade before Jerusalem’s destruction[40] (Daniel 1; 2 Kings 24:10-16)
When Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refuse to worship King Nebuchadnezzar's golden statue, the miniseries depicts them as being tied up, with a fire lit under them. In the text, the king orders the three to be thrown into a furnace that was heated seven times hotter than usual. In fact, the text describes the furnace as being so hot, that some of Nebuchadnezzar's "strongest soldiers" who threw them in there where killed by the flames while doing so.[42] (Daniel 3:19-23)
The miniseries's depicts the prophet Isaiah as a contemporary of Daniel, living during the time of the Babylonian exile. This is a major inconsistency with the text as Isaiah prophesied that Cyrus the Persian would release the captives after a period of time. This prophecy occurred 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile[43] meaning that Daniel, Cyrus and Isaiah could never have existed contemporaneously at the same time. (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13).
In the miniseries' depiction of the Temptation of Christ, the Devil took Jesus to a high mountain when he tempted Jesus to throw himself down. In the text, the Devil tempted Jesus to throw himself down from the pinnacle of the temple. The high mountain was where the devil tempted Jesus to worship him.[33][40] (Matthew 4:1-11 and Luke 4:1-13)

See, my problem is if Christians feel the Bible is God's Word, perfect in every way--than why omit anything?

Don't get me wrong, most of anything based on a book, or an historical account will omit, rewrite, and have variants of the original. It's Entertainment. However, this is such a sacred book to so many people. If the Bible is perfect as so many Christians claim, and it is "God's Word", then why change it, omit from it, rewrite it?

Perhaps because it's not true, and why it's so easy to omit, and rewrite.

Is it still God's Word after doing that?

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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 06:43:17 PM »
The Gospel of Thomas comes to mind,it portrays a young Jesus as a spoiled kid,who actually commits numerous sins. The Gospel of Thomas had to be omitted as it sees Jesus in a less than Holy manner
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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 08:54:07 AM »
Excellent point - any depiction of the Bible that is not 100% faithful is an abomination - as the Bible itself tells us.

Any true Christian should be criticising this miniseries as much (if not more) as the Jerry Springer opera, or the Life of Brian.
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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2014, 09:13:04 AM »
You wouldn't be complaining if they added more porn to it.
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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2014, 09:15:46 AM »
You wouldn't be complaining if they added more porn to it.

It'd be worth watching then but since it's Bible related, it'd be gay porno with bestiality mixed in. They love their bestiality.

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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2014, 09:21:03 AM »
I'd probably not want to watch it, either way-especially if it were completely "faithful" to the book. Although it would be interesting to see how many groups protest a literal adaptation, saying something were done wrong. It would be hilarious.
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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2014, 11:44:28 AM »
I'd probably not want to watch it, either way-especially if it were completely "faithful" to the book. Although it would be interesting to see how many groups protest a literal adaptation, saying something were done wrong. It would be hilarious.

Actually, Christians do that today all the time. They say things like, "It was taken out of context." or "They misinterpreted it." or "They twisted it to mean what they wanted." etc.,

The thing is: either it's 100% True literal Word of God™, or it's complete fiction with allegories, alliterations, metaphors, similes, etc., telling truths in a manner to teach a person.

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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2014, 02:11:17 PM »
I'd probably not want to watch it, either way-especially if it were completely "faithful" to the book. Although it would be interesting to see how many groups protest a literal adaptation, saying something were done wrong. It would be hilarious.

Actually, Christians do that today all the time. They say things like, "It was taken out of context." or "They misinterpreted it." or "They twisted it to mean what they wanted." etc.,

The thing is: either it's 100% True literal Word of God™, or it's complete fiction with allegories, alliterations, metaphors, similes, etc., telling truths in a manner to teach a person.

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Indeed, but I meant if History had gone verbatim and all that. My first roommate moved out because I laughed at his literal belief in the Bible.
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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2014, 10:48:24 PM »
You're in the wrong topic mate, you are referring to some other religion, not Christianity, the religion of Truth, Excellence, Purity and Perfection. Christians couldnt give a monkeys what you said out of context.  They know the truth for it "sets us free" from pagans and the fools headed for the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:14-15).

If you remember our other convo, it was the Atheists who kept "Omitting" texts and getting moderators to side with them and delete comments made by me which proved you and your moderator chum had concocted some rubbish because you couldnt actually handle the truth. Mr closet Christian "Atheist" moderator started PREACHING to me about 'Lying'.  he seemed to know the Bible better than the house rules... Yet you omitted that fact, just like your mates did.

Source:  The Holy Bible, the number one best selling book in the world, and previous posts where Atheists never apply the same rules to themselves.



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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2014, 11:01:31 PM »
You're in the wrong topic mate, you are referring to some other religion, not Christianity, the religion of Truth, Excellence, Purity and Perfection. Christians couldnt give a monkeys what you said out of context.  They know the truth for it "sets us free" from pagans and the fools headed for the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:14-15).

If you remember our other convo, it was the Atheists who kept "Omitting" texts and getting moderators to side with them and delete comments made by me which proved you and your moderator chum had concocted some rubbish because you couldnt actually handle the truth. Mr closet Christian "Atheist" moderator started PREACHING to me about 'Lying'.  he seemed to know the Bible better than the house rules... Yet you omitted that fact, just like your mates did.

Source:  The Holy Bible, the number one best selling book in the world, and previous posts where Atheists never apply the same rules to themselves.



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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2014, 11:09:06 PM »
You're in the wrong topic mate, you are referring to some other religion, not Christianity, the religion of Truth, Excellence, Purity and Perfection. Christians couldnt give a monkeys what you said out of context.  They know the truth for it "sets us free" from pagans and the fools headed for the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:14-15).

If you remember our other convo, it was the Atheists who kept "Omitting" texts and getting moderators to side with them and delete comments made by me which proved you and your moderator chum had concocted some rubbish because you couldnt actually handle the truth. Mr closet Christian "Atheist" moderator started PREACHING to me about 'Lying'.  he seemed to know the Bible better than the house rules... Yet you omitted that fact, just like your mates did.

Source:  The Holy Bible, the number one best selling book in the world, and previous posts where Atheists never apply the same rules to themselves.



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Yeah, I saw.  Its clear to me that these guys are really not interested in truth.  In fact, they would rather believe in the homosexual Alexander the Great and his pagan gods than in the truth of the Holy Bible.





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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2014, 11:16:18 PM »
Yeah, I saw.  Its clear to me that these guys are really not interested in truth.  In fact, they would rather believe in the homosexual Alexander the Great and his pagan gods than in the truth of the Holy Bible.
Given that Alexander had a wife and child...how was he homosexual again?  If you're going to try to diss people, you should at least make sure to get your facts straight.  Especially the silliness about atheists preferring to believe in pagan gods.  Atheists give no more credence to the Christian Trinity than they do to the Greek pantheon.

Anyway, it's easy to call something truth, but much harder to actually demonstrate it.  In fact, it's so hard that science hasn't ever been able to do it.  We can prove things false using science, but we can't prove them true.  So where's the humongous amount of evidence which you must have to support your assertion that the Bible represents truth?  If you don't, then there's no way to tell whether it's actually true, since belief cannot determine truth.

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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2014, 12:03:05 AM »
You're in the wrong topic mate, you are referring to some other religion, not Christianity, the religion of Truth, Excellence, Purity and Perfection. Christians couldnt give a monkeys what you said out of context.  They know the truth for it "sets us free" from pagans and the fools headed for the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:14-15).

I hate to break it to you but many of us are former Christians; some more than others. I was a Southern Baptist and a member of the Southern Baptist Convention. I still have the Manuel. I have also read 14 versions of the Bible, and have shown here, as others have, some of those versions omitting, rewriting, editing, watering down the King James Version which in turn most likely was, as well. Certain parts probably hyped up a bit.

So don't tell me Christians don't do such things. If they didn't there'd only be one version of the Bible. Even your sect has its own version. I may or may not have read it; I don't really remember nor care to.

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If you remember our other convo, it was the Atheists who kept "Omitting" texts and getting moderators to side with them and delete comments made by me which proved you and your moderator chum had concocted some rubbish because you couldnt actually handle the truth. Mr closet Christian "Atheist" moderator started PREACHING to me about 'Lying'.  he seemed to know the Bible better than the house rules... Yet you omitted that fact, just like your mates did.

Bullshit. If I was wrong, or "causing trouble", or what not, they'd tell me. You see that green thing to the left side of the screen under my karma? That means I broke rules, and that's them warning me. It's been like that for months. Hell, I can't remember the last time it wasn't there. So, don't pretend this is Atheist vs. the poor ol' persecuted Christian. You can leave such bullshit nonsense elsewhere. Oh, and I treat everyone anywhere (as in here) equally. I call things as I see them, and you are a plagiarizing spamming idiot who couldn't beat me in an argument if you tried.

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It's only the #1 best selling book because those who make them are the ones who buy them, then they force it on others. That's what Hitler and Pol Pot did with their books.

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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2014, 12:05:48 AM »
You're in the wrong topic mate, you are referring to some other religion, not Christianity, the religion of Truth, Excellence, Purity and Perfection. Christians couldnt give a monkeys what you said out of context.  They know the truth for it "sets us free" from pagans and the fools headed for the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:14-15).

If you remember our other convo, it was the Atheists who kept "Omitting" texts and getting moderators to side with them and delete comments made by me which proved you and your moderator chum had concocted some rubbish because you couldnt actually handle the truth. Mr closet Christian "Atheist" moderator started PREACHING to me about 'Lying'.  he seemed to know the Bible better than the house rules... Yet you omitted that fact, just like your mates did.

Source:  The Holy Bible, the number one best selling book in the world, and previous posts where Atheists never apply the same rules to themselves.



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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2014, 10:23:03 AM »
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"The Christian Right’s Ease With Lies And Dishonesty"
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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2014, 10:25:06 AM »
Christianity, the religion of Truth, Excellence, Purity and Perfection.

This is claim is false: my evidence? Not only that numerous villanies committed in its name but their core document condricts itself.

My particular favorites are Judas dying two different ways, The order of Creation varing, and is it 2 animal or 7 animals on Noah's Ark

But to give a few concrete quotes:

God good to all, or just a few?
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

[Editor's note: Some readers have raised an objection to this alleged contradiction. They point out that PSA 145:20 states that The Lord keeps all who love Him, but that He will destroy the wicked. In other words, some see no contradiction between "The Lord is good to all" and JER 13:14. Others contend, however, that even if the Lord destroys the wicked he could do so with compassion, pity, and mercy. Further, there are biblical examples that indicate that the Lord is not necessarily "good" or merciful--even to those who are not wicked. One such example is Job. As one reader points out, "If Psalm 145:9 was not a contradiction of Psalm 145:20 or Jeremiah 13:14, it would read something like this: "The LORD is good to all, except the wicked: and his tender mercies are over all his works, except when He is punishing the wicked." In any case, the idea that the Lord is good and merciful is contradicted by countless examples in the Bible where God orders the destruction of infants, personally kills David's infant child, etc.]


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War or Peace?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.


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Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.


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Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.


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Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


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Which first--beasts or man?
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.


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How many stalls and horsemen?
1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.


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Is it folly to be wise or not?
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."


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Human vs. ghostly impregnation
ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


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The sins of the father
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
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Fowl from waters or ground?
GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

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Earth supported?
JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

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Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Note that there are "days," "evenings," and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good."

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)

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Moses' personality
NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth."

NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."

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Righteous live?
PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."


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ACT 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

MAT 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field."


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Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?
MAT 5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

LUK 6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."


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Jesus' last words
MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."


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Years of famine
II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?

I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;


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Moved David to anger?
II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.


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The GENEALOGY OF JESUS?
In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary is mentioned. MAT 1:6-16 and LUK 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus. The first one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father.


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God be seen?
EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)


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CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and GOOD:
"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (JER 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."

"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (JAS 5:11)
"For his mercy endureth forever." (1CH 16:34)
"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (PSA 145:9)
"God is love." (1JO 4:16)


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Tempts?
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)


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Judas died how?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)

"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)


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Ascend to heaven
"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)


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What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?
Before the cock crow - MAT 26:34

Before the cock crow twice - MAR 14:30


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How many times did the cock crow?
MAR 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.

MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice.

JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.


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How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount
MAT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
MAT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
MAT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
MAT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
MAT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
MAT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
MAT 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

LUK 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
LUK 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
LUK 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
LUK 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.


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Does every man sin?
1KI 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

2CH 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


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Who bought potter's field
ACT 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
ACT 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

MAT 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
MAT 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
MAT 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.


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Who bears guilt?
GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.


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Do you answer a fool?
PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.


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How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?
2SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:


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How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?
2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2CH 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.


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Marriage?
Proverbs 18:22
1 Corinthians 7 (whole book. See 1,2,27,39,40)

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Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?
ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.


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Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
MAR 1:12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.

JOH 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;

(various traipsings)


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How many apostles were in office between the resurrection and ascension?
1 Corinthians 15:5 (12)
MAT 27:3-5 (minus one from 12)
ACT 1:9-26 (Mathias not elected until after resurrection)

MAT 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.


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Judging
1 Cor 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:" (NIV)

1 Cor 4:5 "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God."


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Good deeds
Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." (NIV)

Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)


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For or against?
MAT 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
(default is against)

MAR 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
(default is for)

LUK 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
(default is for)


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Whom did they see at the tomb?
MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.


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God change?
MAL 3:6
JAS 1:17
1SA 15:29
JON 3:10
GEN 6:6


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Destruction of cities (what said was jeremiah was zechariah)
MAT 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

ZEC 11:11-13 (Note: There is nothing in Jeremiah remotely like this.)


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Who's sepulchers
ACT 7:16
GEN 23:17,18


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Strong drink?
PRO 31:6,7
JOH 2:11-11


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When second coming?
MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

(See also 1TH 4:15-18)


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Solomon's overseers
1KI 9:23 550
2CH 8:10 250


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The mother of Abijah:
2CH 11:20 Maachah the daughter of Absalom

2CH 13:2 Michaiah the daughter of Uriel


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When did Baasha die?
1KI 16:6-8 26th year of the reign of Asa

2CH 16:1 36th year of the reign of Asa


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How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
2KI 8:26 22

2CH 22:2 42


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The differences in the census figures of Ezra and Nehemiah.

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What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?
MAT 27:28 scarlet

JOH 19:2 purple


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What did they give him to drink?
MAT 27:34 vinegar

MAR 15:23 wine with myrrh


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How long was Jesus in the tomb?
Depends where you look; MAT 12:40 gives Jesus prophesying that he will spend "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth," and MAR 10:34 has "after three days (meta treis emeras) he will rise again." As far as I can see from a quick look, the prophecies have "after three days," but the post-Resurrection narratives have "on the third day."
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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2014, 01:46:51 PM »
Yeah, I saw.  Its clear to me that these guys are really not interested in truth.  In fact, they would rather believe in the homosexual Alexander the Great and his pagan gods than in the truth of the Holy Bible.
Given that Alexander had a wife and child...how was he homosexual again?  If you're going to try to diss people, you should at least make sure to get your facts straight.  Especially the silliness about atheists preferring to believe in pagan gods.  Atheists give no more credence to the Christian Trinity than they do to the Greek pantheon.

Anyway, it's easy to call something truth, but much harder to actually demonstrate it.  In fact, it's so hard that science hasn't ever been able to do it.  We can prove things false using science, but we can't prove them true.  So where's the humongous amount of evidence which you must have to support your assertion that the Bible represents truth?  If you don't, then there's no way to tell whether it's actually true, since belief cannot determine truth.

Errrrr.... because science is not the acid test of religion. Science answers how, but religion answers why. For your further study, contemplate this statement of fact:

Science can not tell us the truth of why we are here.  Nor can it tell us what the truth about the meaning of life. Logically then, science fails to answer these questions on truth and shall remain silent forever on this topic.

Science is not a means for discovering absolute truth in every sphere of life. Only religion and religious experience can assist with discovering truth.  Jesus Himself said "I am the way, the Truth and the light"  (John 14:6) but science never claimed that. God did. Thus Christianity, and not science, is the truth seekers guide to knowing truth.

As for the homosexual AtG and paganism, he had a boyf called Hephaestion and another called Bagoas, a Persian eunuch... thats their choice, but one which is not in line with the Bible. See source below and I Corinthians 6:9-10 for details. 

Source: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101002081655AAqEY6A


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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2014, 01:54:43 PM »
Science can not tell us the truth of why we are here.

Assumes there is one.

Nor can it tell us what the truth about the meaning of life.

Assumes there is an objective one.

Logically then, science fails to answer these questions on truth and shall remain silent forever on this topic.

Too true. Unverifiable things are not in the realm of science.

Science is not a means for discovering absolute truth in every sphere of life. Only religion and religious experience can assist with discovering truth.  Jesus Himself said "I am the way, the Truth and the light"  (John 14:6) but science never claimed that. God did. Thus Christianity, and not science, is the truth seekers guide to knowing truth.

It's amazing how the Bible also claims a ritual performed with birds and blood can heal leprosy... Then came antibiotics. Science: +infinity, religion: 0.
In case this doesn't convince you, I'll try the two words theists hate the most: prove it.
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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2014, 02:21:15 PM »
religion answers why.

But does it?  It attempts to. But I do not think it does a very good job.

Science can not tell us the truth of why we are here.  Nor can it tell us what the truth about the meaning of life.

Those might be trick questions, incoherent questions, or too ambiguous to be relevant.  There may be no answer to them.  Like asking, what color is love?  Sure, you can string those words together.  But it does not mean they form a coherent idea.  Faulting science for not answering them is a bad idea.

Only religion and religious experience can assist with discovering truth.

I disagree.  I find that 10 times out of 10 religion is a hurdle or roadblock to discovering truth.

Jesus Himself said...

Well, let's face it, it is possible jesus was either crazy or stupid.  In any event, he was almost completely ignorant.  A thrid grader today has such a better understanding of the world than jesus H did that it would make his eyes pop out.


... but science never claimed that.

So?  Should it have?  If it did, would you believe it?

God did. Thus Christianity, and not science, is the truth seekers guide to knowing truth.

?  Just because it made the claim that it was?  Sorry, that is a terrible argument.

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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2014, 03:17:25 PM »
Only religion and religious experience can assist with discovering truth. 

Truth? Like the biblical cure for Leprosy?

Leviticus 14:1-57
1  And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2  This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest:
3  And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper;
4  Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
5  And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:
6  As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:
7  And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.
8  And he that is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes, and shave off all his hair, and wash himself in water, that he may be clean: and after that he shall come into the camp, and shall tarry abroad out of his tent seven days.
9  But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean.
10  And on the eighth day he shall take two he lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish, and three tenth deals of fine flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and one log of oil.
11  And the priest that maketh him clean shall present the man that is to be made clean, and those things, before the LORD, at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation:
12  And the priest shall take one he lamb, and offer him for a trespass offering, and the log of oil, and wave them for a wave offering before the LORD:
13  And he shall slay the lamb in the place where he shall kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the holy place: for as the sin offering is the priest's, so is the trespass offering: it is most holy:
14  And the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and the priest shall put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot:
15  And the priest shall take some of the log of oil, and pour it into the palm of his own left hand:
16  And the priest shall dip his right finger in the oil that is in his left hand, and shall sprinkle of the oil with his finger seven times before the LORD:
17  And of the rest of the oil that is in his hand shall the priest put upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot, upon the blood of the trespass offering:
18  And the remnant of the oil that is in the priest's hand he shall pour upon the head of him that is to be cleansed: and the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD.
19  And the priest shall offer the sin offering, and make an atonement for him that is to be cleansed from his uncleanness; and afterward he shall kill the burnt offering:
20  And the priest shall offer the burnt offering and the meat offering upon the altar: and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and he shall be clean.
21  And if he be poor, and cannot get so much; then he shall take one lamb for a trespass offering to be waved, to make an atonement for him, and one tenth deal of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering, and a log of oil;
22  And two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, such as he is able to get; and the one shall be a sin offering, and the other a burnt offering.
23  And he shall bring them on the eighth day for his cleansing unto the priest, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, before the LORD.
24  And the priest shall take the lamb of the trespass offering, and the log of oil, and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD:
25  And he shall kill the lamb of the trespass offering, and the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot:
26  And the priest shall pour of the oil into the palm of his own left hand:
27  And the priest shall sprinkle with his right finger some of the oil that is in his left hand seven times before the LORD:
28  And the priest shall put of the oil that is in his hand upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot, upon the place of the blood of the trespass offering:
29  And the rest of the oil that is in the priest's hand he shall put upon the head of him that is to be cleansed, to make an atonement for him before the LORD.
30  And he shall offer the one of the turtledoves, or of the young pigeons, such as he can get;
31  Even such as he is able to get, the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, with the meat offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for him that is to be cleansed before the LORD.
32  This is the law of him in whom is the plague of leprosy, whose hand is not able to get that which pertained to his cleansing.
33  And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
34  When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;
35  And he that owner the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, It Smith to me there is as it were a plague in the house:
36  Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:
37  And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;
38  Then the priest shall go out of the house to the door of the house, and shut up the house seven days:
39  And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
40  Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city:
41  And he shall cause the house to be scraped within round about, and they shall pour out the dust that they scrape off without the city into an unclean place:
42  And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other mortar, and shall plaster the house.
43  And if the plague come again, and break out in the house, after that he hath taken away the stones, and after he hath scraped the house, and after it is plastered;
44  Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house: it is unclean.
45  And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the mortar of the house; and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.
46  Moreover he that goeth into the house all the while that it is shut up shall be unclean until the even.
47  And he that lieth in the house shall wash his clothes; and he that eateth in the house shall wash his clothes.
48  And if the priest shall come in, and look upon it, and, behold, the plague hath not spread in the house, after the house was plastered: then the priest shall pronounce the house clean, because the plague is healed.
49  And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
50  And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
51  And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
52  And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
53  But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
54  This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall,
55  And for the leprosy of a garment, and of a house,
56  And for a rising, and for a scab, and for a bright spot:
57  To teach when it is unclean, and when it is clean: this is the law of leprosy.

Couldn't be wrong, after all Christianity's so perfect.
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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2014, 03:57:27 PM »
You wouldn't be complaining if they added more porn to it.

Thing is, they woulnd't need to ADD porn, just depict what's already there!!  Lot and his daughters?  The whore of Babylon?  David and his lover?  hell, they should put this on Skin-emax!
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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2014, 04:00:14 PM »
You wouldn't be complaining if they added more porn to it.

Thing is, they woulnd't need to ADD porn, just depict what's already there!!  Lot and his daughters?  The whore of Babylon?  David and his lover?  hell, they should put this on Skin-emax!

Well there's a lot of incest, that's is a little too racy for them.
An Omnipowerful God needed to sacrifice himself to himself (but only for a long weekend) in order to avert his own wrath against his own creations who he made in a manner knowing that they weren't going to live up to his standards.

And you should feel guilty for this. Give me money.

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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2014, 07:49:31 PM »
You wouldn't be complaining if they added more porn to it.

Thing is, they woulnd't need to ADD porn, just depict what's already there!!  Lot and his daughters?  The whore of Babylon?  David and his lover?  hell, they should put this on Skin-emax!

Well there's a lot of incest, that's is a little too racy for them.

Skinamax or Christians?

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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2014, 07:08:52 AM »
Just like with almost anything put out by Christians in Entertainment, or probably otherwise; it is them who are paying for it. The Bible is "the best selling book worldwide" because Christian churches and organizations buy them in bulk and then either sell or give away to their members or people on the street .

It's no different with this movie:

http://www.pe.com/local-news/local-news-headlines/20140224-religion-son-of-god-rare-wide-release-christian-film.ece
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Inland churches are receiving thousands of free tickets for a major film about Jesus' life that is being released in multiplexes this week alongside Hollywood blockbusters.
“Son of God” is the first wide-release film about Jesus since 2004’s “The Passion of the Christ,” which has earned $612 million worldwide.
Christian films typically have limited showings in a few dozen cinemas. “Son of God” is opening on 3,000 screens nationwide, including at least 15 in the Inland Empire.
Riverside’s Harvest Christian Fellowship and Crossroads Christian Church in Corona are among about 100 churches around the country that received free tickets from the Colorado-based Christian charity Compassion International. Three thousand went to Harvest alone.
Churches and religious organizations also are renting out entire theaters for previews on Wednesday and Thursday before the movie is released Friday.
Orange County’s Saddleback Church rented a 232-seat theater at Edwards Corona Crossings Stadium 18 for members of the church’s Corona campus, along with venues elsewhere.
“For the purpose of evangelism, for inviting someone to know Jesus, this is awesome,” said Pastor David Williamson of Saddleback in Corona. “I think people will leave there with a great understanding of who Jesus is.”
The church sold the tickets at 2-for-1 and encouraged congregants to ask a non-Christian friend, family member or neighbor to accompany them, Williamson said. The film’s high-end production and its screenings in multiplexes alongside secular Hollywood movies make it more accessible to non-Christians than other religious films, he said.
The movie also is meaningful to believers, he said.
“It’s one thing to go through the Bible, but this film puts the pictures in your mind and gives you a visual image of what’s already in your heart,” he said.

These films are for recruitment, evangelizing, and converting. They're not about telling the story of "Jesus", they are about manipulation, and coersion.

People don't go to the movies to be manipulated, they go for entertainment, and relaxation.

I didn't see The Passion of the Christ until years after its release, and let me tell you: not Gibson's best work.

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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2014, 09:11:31 AM »
These films are for recruitment, evangelizing, and converting. They're not about telling the story of "Jesus", they are about manipulation, and coersion.

People don't go to the movies to be manipulated, they go for entertainment, and relaxation.

I didn't see The Passion of the Christ until years after its release, and let me tell you: not Gibson's best work.

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Nah they are about making money. I am sure the original concept was to make an epic movie about the bible to tell that story.... that’s never been told before <sarcasm>
But just like every other movie some producer or whatever his title is, in all his infinite wisdom changed some parts around to make it better. Ultimately it’s a movie so it's about money.

Yeah, I saw.  Its clear to me that these guys are really not interested in truth.  In fact, they would rather believe in the homosexual Alexander the Great and his pagan gods than in the truth of the Holy Bible.

You're in the wrong topic mate, you are referring to some other religion, not Christianity, the religion of Truth, Excellence, Purity and Perfection. Christians couldnt give a monkeys what you said out of context.  They know the truth for it "sets us free" from pagans and the fools headed for the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:14-15).

Dude what do you have against Pagans? How could anyone take up issue with Pagans? I don’t get it...
Unless you mean the motorcycle gang. I could understand that.
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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2014, 09:23:04 AM »
^especially since most Christians celebrate pagan holidays (Easter = Eostre, Christmas = Winter Solstice, Halloween = Harvest festival).

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Re: When Christians Omit...
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2014, 09:51:12 AM »
<snip> Its clear to me that these guys are really not interested in truth.  In fact, they would rather believe in the homosexual Alexander the Great and his pagan gods than in the truth of the Holy Bible.

I don't get the relevance of Alexander. Are you saying that atheists would rather believe in a well documented historical figure than an unsupported claim?
Or are you saying that atheists are more ready to believe in that historical figures pagan gods.
If its the latter you need to revise your understanding of atheist.