We have tolerated you, haven't we?
And please show me where we make fun of you?
You have tolerated me to an extent. You guys still smite me at a ridiculous rate and make fun of my faith that i take very seriously. How would you feel if you took music very seriously and loved a certain genre of music and someone kept making fun of the music you like and kept calling it "crap!" and screaming it in your face?
If you are staying for several months in the home of someone who lived and breathed jazz music and you wanted to hear only rock music, you might expect to be criticized and made fun of to some extent. You might be expected to defend your musical taste. Suppose the jazz fan gives you a long, detailed explanation of how jazz artists work, and plays you several examples of different forms of jazz.
Then your friend asks you to explain why you think rock is all that. If all you can say is "Dude, rock music is the best, okay, and you are just silly if you don't understand that FREEEEEEBIRRRRD!" you will probably not get a very reasoned response. Moreover, if you maintain that American rock is the only real
music in the world, and that furthermore, all other so-called music genres, including classical, jazz, country, medieval chant, Arabic pop, Tuvan throat singing and African gospel, are actually derived from-- and are inferior to-- American rock music, you can expect some major pushback. At the very least, you will be expected to provide some factual evidence and documentation of such a sweeping and nonsensical claim. You see that, don't you?
That is the same thing you have to do with respect to your religious claims. Realize that you are making big claims to people who don't automatically agree with you, and provide us with some factual evidence and documentation. And links to sites that just repeat what you say are not sufficient evidence
, any more than a website that said "Dude, rock music is the most awesome and all other kinds of music suck FREEEEEEBIRRRRD!" would be sufficient evidence for your jazz friend.
You have told us that we secretly believe in your god, that we secretly hate your god, that we have no morals, that if we are really atheists we should be out killing people because we have no morals, and that everyone's
morals come from your god, and that even people in Japan, China and India who have never heard of your god are secretly obeying the commands of your god.
We have shown you that places with less religion and more science are generally nicer places than those with more religion and less science. Life expectancy, health care, status of women and children, education, poverty, violent crime rates are all better in the less religious places. This is the exact opposite of what you say would happen without religion to control people and give them morals. And you still refuse to acknowledge any of this-- not the facts we have presented about the rest of the world, not the facts about how science works, not even about our own beliefs and ideas.
We are very familiar with religious ideas, because many of us were once religious, and most of us still associate with religious people on a regular basis. We know very well what it is we are rejecting.
We rely on scientific explanations rather than the supernatural, because science works consistently, and the supernatural does not. Science has made the world a much, much better place for the past few hundred years than the supernatural did for the previous several thousand years. We respect scientists, because scientists try to think rationally and because scientists show their work, not because we worship science, or think of scientists as some kind of gods.
We do not believe in your god, or in any god. We, therefore, do not get our morals from your god, or any god. We do not believe in the supernatural, and if you do, you need to produce some evidence.
You cannot just keep telling us that, basically, we are wrong and you are right, without giving any reasons or evidence. You cannot insult us and ridicule our views, just because we disagree with you. If you keep doing that, you will keep getting smites.
Remember, you don't have to be here on this site. It is an atheist oriented site. Theists are welcome, but you are expected to explain and support your views. You have yet to show that you have any real understanding of the things you argue with us about: science, evolution, atheism or religious ideas that differ from yours; instead you keep throwing out insults based on some caricature you have made up about what atheists are like.
You are an invited guest in someone's home, but instead you are acting like a dissident prisoner in the Soviet Gulag. Except the door to the prison is wide open. If you are miserable and don't like the rules or the behavior of the other residents, well, we will somehow manage to muddle along without you.