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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #145 on: January 19, 2014, 12:00:12 AM »
There is no word that does not have a meaning even if the word is the WORD.

What is the "word"?
That is the right question. I asked it first tho? Wisdom dawns!

Try this in a different way.

Let's not worry so much about the answer to your question.  Could you describe in what manner you would go about determining how correct or incorrect an answer is?

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #146 on: January 19, 2014, 12:48:28 AM »
a. The word is the creative power.

How do you know?  You keep making claims and then not supporting those claims.  That is a problem.

b. I did not know they were all Hindus - What is the Science behind this deduction. Same Father?

I did not say they were all Hindus.  I said they all came from Hindu tradition. 

Why are you making this a science question?  Makes it look like a red herring.  It is fairly standard scholarship that:
1. Buddha was a Hindu
2. Jainism grew out of Hinduism
3. Nanak was exposed to both hindu an Islamic ideas and that is reflected in Sikhism.
4. Krishna is integral to Hinduism, though probably wasn't real. 

c. Zoroaster still claimed that there is a creator God.

Irrelevant in our conversation, as far as I can tell.  You will have to explain further if I am to be convinced.

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I have to wonder if you are on drugs or mentally ill, because you cannot seem to keep a coherent thought in you head.  The alternative is you are a troll.  Which is it?

He did call it Shabda.


Irrelevant to the conversation

Zoroaster called it Sraosha.

Irrelevant to the conversation

Yes if we did and?

This is incoherent

I said "If we knew what the WORD was" we could heal amputees.

I know.  I've acknowledged that twice.  I asked three times how you knew knew this and why I should believe it.  You've not answered yet.

If we did know...

Irrelevant to the conversation.  Do you enjoy talking to yourself?


Thanks for ASKING. How is that loosing the site of the thread?

I didn't ask.  It loses the thread because it answers questions I did not ask, comments on things that have nothing to do with our conversation.

The word is the creative power of God

How do you know?

I'm not going to reply to you anymore unless you start responding as if you are sane and coherent.
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #147 on: January 19, 2014, 12:52:53 AM »
Screwtape,

He told me he speaks the same in his native tongue. The guys missing a few links of any sort of sense.

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #148 on: January 19, 2014, 01:45:01 AM »
There is no word that does not have a meaning even if the word is the WORD.

What is the "word"?
That is the right question. I asked it first tho? Wisdom dawns!

Try this in a different way.

Let's not worry so much about the answer to your question.  Could you describe in what manner you would go about determining how correct or incorrect an answer is?
If it is connected with first premise. In the beginning.
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #149 on: January 19, 2014, 02:48:01 AM »
That is the right question. I asked it first tho? Wisdom dawns!

Why are you asking atheists about a supernatural word?

Because, again, a word only has the meaning and power that humans give it.
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #150 on: January 19, 2014, 03:12:10 AM »
That is the right question. I asked it first tho? Wisdom dawns!

Why are you asking atheists about a supernatural word?

Because, again, a word only has the meaning and power that humans give it.
So the WORD is supernatural in atheists minds?
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #151 on: January 19, 2014, 03:18:01 AM »
So the WORD is supernatural in atheists minds?

Considering that you are suggesting that the "word" is not like any other word, yes, because it defies the definition of actual words.

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #152 on: January 19, 2014, 05:44:29 AM »
I said only the truth can be the truth provided it can stand the test of time.

And I explained why that was wrong. We're going in circles.

Can any scientist make a theory and say it is true?

A scientific theory[1] can be true, but it can never claim to be so. That's why it's a scientific theory and not dogma.

A theory being Ad populum? Evolution, Big Bang etc by your definition?

It's based on evidence, so no.
 1. Which differs from the common use of the word "theory".
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #153 on: January 19, 2014, 11:39:28 AM »
That is the right question. I asked it first tho? Wisdom dawns!

Why are you asking atheists about a supernatural word?

Because, again, a word only has the meaning and power that humans give it.
So the WORD is supernatural in atheists minds?

Supernatural things do not exist. What evidence is there? I see none. It's just a word being metaphorically used for something else.

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #154 on: January 19, 2014, 11:48:12 AM »
Supernatural things do not exist. What evidence is there? I see none. It's just a word being metaphorically used for something else.

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The thing that ticks me off, is that he is suggesting that there is such a thing as the "word" despite not knowing what it is, and despite the "word" not being a word at all.
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #155 on: January 19, 2014, 11:52:55 AM »
Supernatural things do not exist. What evidence is there? I see none. It's just a word being metaphorically used for something else.

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The thing that ticks me off, is that he is suggesting that there is such a thing as the "word" despite not knowing what it is, and despite the "word" not being a word at all.

He doesn't need to, you did it for him by calling it "supernatural", and not referencing it as such with a note of it being fiction. Now, in his mind atheists (all atheists, not just you) believe in the supernatural. You have to watch how you word things to people like him. Thus my comment.

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #156 on: January 19, 2014, 11:59:25 AM »
He doesn't need to, you did it for him by calling it "supernatural", and not referencing it as such with a note of it being fiction. Now, in his mind atheists (all atheists, not just you) believe in the supernatural. You have to watch how you word things to people like him. Thus my comment.

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That just confuses me further, because obviously none of us believe in the supernatural.
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #157 on: January 19, 2014, 12:04:00 PM »
He doesn't need to, you did it for him by calling it "supernatural", and not referencing it as such with a note of it being fiction. Now, in his mind atheists (all atheists, not just you) believe in the supernatural. You have to watch how you word things to people like him. Thus my comment.

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That just confuses me further, because obviously none of us believe in the supernatural.

Irrelevant. It's not about what you believe or don't believe it's about what they believe or don't believe.

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #158 on: January 19, 2014, 12:05:57 PM »
Irrelevant. It's not about what you believe or don't believe it's about what they believe or don't believe.

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Ahh, i see.

So for all they could care, they could believe all atheists think that earth is flat, and would stick to it, despite the contrary being (mostly...) true?
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #159 on: January 19, 2014, 12:25:22 PM »
Irrelevant. It's not about what you believe or don't believe it's about what they believe or don't believe.

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Ahh, i see.

So for all they could care, they could believe all atheists think that earth is flat, and would stick to it, despite the contrary being (mostly...) true?

Yeah, something like that.

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #160 on: January 19, 2014, 12:47:57 PM »
Yeah, something like that.

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Sounds stupid enough for me.
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #161 on: January 19, 2014, 01:23:29 PM »
So the WORD is supernatural in atheists minds?

Considering that you are suggesting that the "word" is not like any other word, yes, because it defies the definition of actual words.
As an Atheist I do not believe in the supernatural. There is nothing supernatural. The word is a WORD and it has a meaning to the Theist. Coded perhaps but nothing supernatural.
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #162 on: January 19, 2014, 01:27:05 PM »
So the WORD is supernatural in atheists minds?

Considering that you are suggesting that the "word" is not like any other word, yes, because it defies the definition of actual words.
I do not get the link to the supernatural unless there is something supernatural. Is there?
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #163 on: January 19, 2014, 01:48:13 PM »
So the WORD is supernatural in atheists minds?

Considering that you are suggesting that the "word" is not like any other word, yes, because it defies the definition of actual words.
As an Atheist I do not believe in the supernatural. There is nothing supernatural. The word is a WORD and it has a meaning to the Theist. Coded perhaps but nothing supernatural.

You're an atheist? Funny.

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #164 on: January 19, 2014, 01:52:24 PM »
And I explained why that was wrong. We're going in circles.
That's because what you explained lead to circular argument.

A scientific theory Which differs from the common use of the word "theory". can be true, but it can never claim to be so. That's why it's a scientific theory and not dogma.
OK so the WORD could be considered to be a Theory and if it is in always proposed by theists then it becomes a scientific theory that they propose. and is accepted by the populace.

It's based on evidence, so no.
That is what they say. And the "WORD became flesh". 
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #165 on: January 19, 2014, 01:53:27 PM »
That is the right question. I asked it first tho? Wisdom dawns!

Why are you asking atheists about a supernatural word?

Because, again, a word only has the meaning and power that humans give it.
So the WORD is supernatural in atheists minds?

Supernatural things do not exist. What evidence is there? I see none. It's just a word being metaphorically used for something else.

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #166 on: January 19, 2014, 01:55:55 PM »
Supernatural things do not exist. What evidence is there? I see none. It's just a word being metaphorically used for something else.

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The thing that ticks me off, is that he is suggesting that there is such a thing as the "word" despite not knowing what it is, and despite the "word" not being a word at all.

He doesn't need to, you did it for him by calling it "supernatural", and not referencing it as such with a note of it being fiction. Now, in his mind atheists (all atheists, not just you) believe in the supernatural. You have to watch how you word things to people like him. Thus my comment.

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That is exactly what I was thinking. Thanks. We are on the same page after all.
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #167 on: January 19, 2014, 01:57:14 PM »
He doesn't need to, you did it for him by calling it "supernatural", and not referencing it as such with a note of it being fiction. Now, in his mind atheists (all atheists, not just you) believe in the supernatural. You have to watch how you word things to people like him. Thus my comment.

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That just confuses me further, because obviously none of us believe in the supernatural.

Irrelevant. It's not about what you believe or don't believe it's about what they believe or don't believe.

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Since we do not know God we are all atheists. Only Theists know God. Belief runs everywhere in the atheists minds.  Evidence by your statement " its not what you believe it is what they believe ". Atheists do not do beliefs but you seem to have promoted it. Clear up your act.
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #168 on: January 19, 2014, 02:09:25 PM »
Irrelevant. It's not about what you believe or don't believe it's about what they believe or don't believe.

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Ahh, i see.

So for all they could care, they could believe all atheists think that earth is flat, and would stick to it, despite the contrary being (mostly...) true?
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #169 on: January 19, 2014, 02:10:26 PM »
Irrelevant. It's not about what you believe or don't believe it's about what they believe or don't believe.

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Ahh, i see.

So for all they could care, they could believe all atheists think that earth is flat, and would stick to it, despite the contrary being (mostly...) true?

Yeah, something like that.

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #170 on: January 19, 2014, 02:13:32 PM »
He doesn't need to, you did it for him by calling it "supernatural", and not referencing it as such with a note of it being fiction. Now, in his mind atheists (all atheists, not just you) believe in the supernatural. You have to watch how you word things to people like him. Thus my comment.

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That just confuses me further, because obviously none of us believe in the supernatural.

Irrelevant. It's not about what you believe or don't believe it's about what they believe or don't believe.

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Since we do not know God we are all atheists. Only Theists know God. Belief runs everywhere in the atheists minds.  Evidence by your statement " its not what you believe it is what they believe ". Atheists do not do beliefs but you seem to have promoted it. Clear up your act.

Who says atheists don't have beliefs? I have the belief you're an idiot which doesn't mean that my non-belief in a god or gods doesn't hold ground to that fact.

Beliefs are not a designation for only one set of people; whether that set of people (like you) believe it, or not.

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #171 on: January 19, 2014, 02:13:46 PM »
Yeah, something like that.

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Sounds stupid enough for me.
It is stupid. And to promote it is unwise. Question is why have you accepted it. Is it because he is a leader and you a sheep? Why accept to be brainwashed?
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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #172 on: January 19, 2014, 02:14:50 PM »
So the WORD is supernatural in atheists minds?

Considering that you are suggesting that the "word" is not like any other word, yes, because it defies the definition of actual words.
As an Atheist I do not believe in the supernatural. There is nothing supernatural. The word is a WORD and it has a meaning to the Theist. Coded perhaps but nothing supernatural.

You're an atheist? Funny.

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Re: What is The Word?
« Reply #173 on: January 19, 2014, 02:15:03 PM »
Yeah, something like that.

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Sounds stupid enough for me.
It is stupid. And to promote it is unwise. Question is why have you accepted it. Is it because he is a leader and you a sheep? Why accept to be brainwashed?

The only sheep in this three-way discussion is you. Baaa

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