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Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« on: January 15, 2014, 01:43:45 AM »
So, apparently humans are the perfect organism....with several flaws.

So, lets play god and make a monstrosity that has as little flaws as possible.

I have no idea where to start, but i can suggest using the nerve layout of Cephalopods to help with vision.

After each post, a calculation of sorts would be nice (for example, calculation of speed, perception, etc in their respective units).
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2014, 03:07:37 AM »
We could simply improve on the current 'design'.
Basic changes would offer a big improvement.
Stuff like, move the brain into the chest cavity. We have this insanely armored bucket at the top end of our bodies that still sucks at protecting the brain.
So, enlarge the chest and stick the brain in there. The head would only still house the sensory organs.

Split the breathing tube from the eating tube ... should be simple enough.

Three spines iso one should solve the verticality problem and hey, why not nerve redundancy? "The fall broke your left ventral spine ... if you break the other two, you'll be paralysed!"
This would also solve loads of problems with the bowels, as you could hang them from a membrane that stretches between the three spines iso basically just dumping them in the abdomen.

Hook ovulation up to the conscious part of the brain ... that ought to put a spanner in the works for patriarchies everywhere.

It would be neat if bodies could be made aware of their own DNA. ie. if the body senses it has XY chromosones, it develops a male body image ... note that this is separate from sexuality. You'd still get people with male bodies who had a sexual preference for other male bodies. But no one would ever feel like they were born in the wrong body. The current system depends on an error prone detecting of certain hormones while in uterus.

Marvel comics stuff like super strenght would be neat, of course, and doable, just look at chimps or orangutans who are, pound for pound much stronger than us. But, would that begin to impair our fine motor skills? I wonder. Also, if you make us able to lift 1000 kilos ... you'll need to reinforce the knees, ankles, pelvis to take the weight.

Speaking of pelvises ... a hinge mechanism like in snake's jaws would solve many of the problems during birth. Though, by moving the brain into the chest, we've already removed the need for a massively huge head, so giving birth will already be less torturous.

How to calculate these things? I have no idea.
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2014, 03:13:32 AM »
You could also reinforce the ribcage, perhaps make them more akin to plates of bone? overlapping in some form?

Also could add regeneration akin to lizards or starfish.

Perhaps an some form of exoskeleton?
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2014, 05:06:12 AM »
tinker with our telomeres to stop the aging process - http://www.livescience.com/6967-hang-25-year-wait-immortality.html

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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2014, 06:02:53 AM »
Ooooh, nice find.

Using the same muscle's as a chimp could improve strength by around 7 times.

Perhaps a system that creates stem cells to repair internal nerve damage?
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2014, 06:47:56 AM »
Perhaps a system that creates stem cells to repair internal nerve damage?

Although it's a scifi at the moment Nanotech has been suggested as a possible  future of medicine with little machines running round repairing you

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2813556/

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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2014, 06:49:06 AM »
I was more going for biologically feeseable type additions...
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2014, 07:01:54 AM »
I'll leave this here then ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Breed_%28The_Outer_Limits%29

This episode includes ...
gills
abdominal ribcage
latticework upper ribcage
additional eyes
Wolverine-like healing
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2014, 07:17:33 AM »
Okay, so add gills and extra ribcage.

And some back facing eyes.
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2014, 07:30:38 AM »
I was more going for biologically feeseable type additions...

Ok.


Perhaps a system that creates stem cells to repair internal nerve damage?

I've read Aubrey De Gray's solutions to this kind of thing, having a stem cell factory in your body was one of the things he talked about (can't find the article now though). His main focus is biogerontology but this does tackle a whole host of things like not getting cancer and cellular repair and of course the #1 cause of death in the world today is old age[1] the ultimate organism (IMO) would be totally and indefinitely self repairing and would not suffer death from natural causes.

Check Dr Aubrey De GreyWiki and his research out, he looks exactly how you'd want a mad scientist to look  :)
 1. and the degeneration related deaths caused by it, heart attacks, stroke etc

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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2014, 07:37:36 AM »
How would something like photosynthesis work for an addition?

I mean, obviously it could not be efficient enough to replace eating, but could make up for 10% of energy intake?
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2014, 10:15:27 AM »
In my mind the ultimate organism should not be handcuffed with biological limitations. The ultimate organism would likely be some form of a hybrid digital, robotic, organic.

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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2014, 10:29:45 AM »
Wouldn't that be the perfect "Cyborg"? ;D
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2014, 11:22:31 AM »
I watched that episode of "The outer limit" just then.

So awesome, its like The Fly, but with nanobots.

Creepy with the skin nematocysts.
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2014, 01:38:26 PM »
Read the subject line wrong... thought it said ultimate orgasm.  Nevermind.
It doesn't make sense to let go of something you've had for so long.  But it also doesn't make sense to hold on when there's actually nothing there.

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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2014, 01:44:01 PM »
In my mind the ultimate organism should not be handcuffed with biological limitations. The ultimate organism would likely be some form of a hybrid digital, robotic, organic.

Reapers?
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2014, 01:55:52 PM »
So, lets play god and make a monstrosity that has as little flaws as possible.

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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2014, 03:43:26 PM »
So, lets play god and make a monstrosity that has as little flaws as possible.

Chuck Norris

Hey, that was my answer.... Oops. 
It doesn't make sense to let go of something you've had for so long.  But it also doesn't make sense to hold on when there's actually nothing there.

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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2014, 03:53:30 PM »
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Hey, that was my answer.... Oops.

Read the subject line wrong... thought it said ultimate orgasm.  Nevermind.

Did you just give us more information than you wanted us to know?
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2014, 02:03:15 AM »


Read the subject line wrong... thought it said ultimate orgasm.  Nevermind.

Did you just give us more information than you wanted us to know?

Hey, I misread it the same way.

I sort of went the sexy way with those consciously controleable ovulations.
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2014, 03:12:47 AM »
Make it so that sex can get either partner pregnant. That would reduce the rape rate, make the men agree that abortion is just fine and in general calm the planet.
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2014, 03:28:44 AM »
Make it so that sex can get either partner pregnant. That would reduce the rape rate, make the men agree that abortion is just fine and in general calm the planet.

I'll leave this here then ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_Universe_%28Red_Dwarf%29
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2014, 11:28:28 AM »
Make it so that sex can get either partner pregnant. That would reduce the rape rate, make the men agree that abortion is just fine and in general calm the planet.

But what would be the difference between male and female?
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2014, 11:43:34 AM »
But what would be the difference between male and female?

Body shape?
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2014, 07:43:15 PM »
All these mods to the human body will make for a very funny-looking organism. Pinhead, three spines, huge chest, Chuck Norris. But if we all looked like that from the getgo, we would think we looked just beautiful. Goes to show.  :-\
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2014, 10:16:24 PM »
Would an extra thumb, and extra limbs be useful?
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2014, 02:31:47 AM »
All these mods to the human body will make for a very funny-looking organism. Pinhead, three spines, huge chest, Chuck Norris. But if we all looked like that from the getgo, we would think we looked just beautiful. Goes to show.  :-\

What was that line from the first Star Trek movie? Ugly bags of mostly water?
Esthetically speaking, the human body with limbs and lumps and hair all over is already ugly.
And this is not even touching on the influence of fashion.
In the 16th century, Olivia Wilde (who randomly popped into my head just now) would have been considered hideous and sickly looking.

Anyway, sorry for the aside, A&A
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2014, 02:36:13 AM »
Its okay, but could you add in something while you are offtopic? ;D
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Re: Design the ULTIMATE organism.
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2014, 02:38:50 AM »
Would an extra thumb, and extra limbs be useful?
An extra thumb? I doubt that would do much good.
But two extra arms, with more narrow fingers, for the really finicky stuff, that would be interresting. As these extra arms would be more damage prone, maybe there would be indentations in our chests where we held these arms while running around ... the aliens in Cowboys vs Aliens has something similar ... outer arms for the heavy lifting and inner arms for fine tool manipulation.
The Moteys from The Mote in God's Eye had asymetrical bodies. One side with a strong arm and one side with a slender, nimble arm.
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