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Apparently Angels Exist
« on: December 20, 2013, 01:18:50 PM »
Not only does this lad know angels exist, he also knows their aerodynamic properties;

http://news.sky.com/story/1185507/angels-exist-but-have-no-wings-says-church
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Matthew 10:22 "and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved." - An example of a clearly demonstrably false biblical 'prophesy'.

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Re: Apparently Angels Exist
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2013, 01:36:38 PM »
Not only does this lad know angels exist, he also knows their aerodynamic properties;

http://news.sky.com/story/1185507/angels-exist-but-have-no-wings-says-church

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Angels really do exist but do not have wings and are more like shards of light, according to a church official.

Catholic Church "angelologist" Father Renzo Lavatori says the celestial beings are back in vogue thanks to various New Age religions.

But he insists that the traditional portrayal of angels as hovering, winged cherubs rather misses the mark.

"I think there is a re-discovery of angels in Christianity," Father Lavatori said at a conference on angels at a lavishly-frescoed Renaissance palace in Rome.

"You do not see angels so much as feel their presence - they are a bit like sunlight that refracts on you through a crystal vase," he added.

The senior clergyman was taking part in a debate this week on angelic art by the Fondazione Archivio Storico, an Italian art foundation.

It was held at the Vatican-owned Palazzo della Cancelleria.

Art historian Professor Valerio Massimo Manfredi said the first mention of the word "angelos" came from the Mycenaean civilisation in Greece more than 3,000 years ago.

The word means "messenger" in ancient Greek.

Monsignor Giovanni Tonucci, head of the Loreto Marian sanctuary, said that angels were "pure souls".
Their lack of a defined form had allowed artists through the ages to let their creative imagination run wild.

"Following the cultural history of angels is following the history of humanity, or at least of our civilisation," the conference organisers said.

"Angels have helped drive religious and philosophical thought and have given birth to sublime forms of poetic and artistic expression," they said.

Father Lavatori said the popularised image of angels is a necessary result of their being "back in fashion" but is dismissive of all the angel art around Christmas.

"There is space for that, but you have to understand that these are not real representations. Angels do not have wings or look like cherubs," he said.

The widely-published Catholic clergyman is also a "demonologist" and says angels are more needed than ever.

This is because increasing secularisation and materialism in society have left an "open door" for the devil, he said.

"There is a lot more interference from diabolical forces. That is why you see queues of people outside the exorcists' offices in churches," he said.

"Pope Francis talks more about the devil than about angels and I think rightly so. But it's still early, he will get round to the angels too."


I marked in red statements that I would like to see supported by evidence, or dismissed as speculative nonsense.
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Re: Apparently Angels Exist
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2013, 01:44:02 PM »
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Catholic Church "angelologist" Father Renzo Lavatori
How does one go about establishing their qualifications for this job?  Submit a portfolio of fantasy short stories?

Can I get the title of being a jediologist?

How is it not abundantly clear to the Catholic laity that someone like Fr. Lavatori is just making sh*t up?[1]
 1. My guess - they do realize it, and just don't care.
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Re: Apparently Angels Exist
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2013, 02:30:59 PM »
I grew up with the idea of angels being winged humans.  Now they're just bits of sunlights?  I'm pissed.   >:(

After 4,000 years, you'd think their appearances would be well-established.
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Re: Apparently Angels Exist
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2013, 03:41:24 PM »
I grew up with the idea of angels being winged humans.  Now they're just bits of sunlights?  I'm pissed.   >:(

After 4,000 years, you'd think their appearances would be well-established.

Aren't they thoroughly described in Ezekiel and Revelations?
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Re: Apparently Angels Exist
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2013, 03:55:39 PM »
If I remember my Bible trivia correctly (insert pun here), nowhere in scripture are angles said to have wings. 
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Re: Apparently Angels Exist
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2013, 10:44:54 PM »
Sometimes I feel like weeping for humanity.  What a load of crap.

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Re: Apparently Angels Exist
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2014, 12:20:55 PM »
If I remember my Bible trivia correctly (insert pun here), nowhere in scripture are angles said to have wings.

The lost scriptures define the "bell-ringing ritual" that grants them.  Let's all help George Bailey!!
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Re: Apparently Angels Exist
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2014, 12:51:55 PM »
If I remember my Bible trivia correctly (insert pun here), nowhere in scripture are angles said to have wings.

ezekiel 1:5-14
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In appearance their form was human, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward, each wing touching that of the creature on either side; and each had two other wings covering its body. 12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.

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Re: Apparently Angels Exist
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2014, 04:00:24 PM »
Screwtape, if you read what he wrote he said, "angles" not "angels". And, angles don't have wings unless they're fucked up angles.

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Re: Apparently Angels Exist
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2014, 05:06:17 PM »
Screwtape, if you read what he wrote he said, "angles" not "angels". And, angles don't have wings unless they're fucked up angles.

Ha! Caught me  :police:  Technically, the Ezekiel reference doesn't specifically say they were angels
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