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The Power of the Lord
« on: December 02, 2013, 03:23:14 PM »



And that is how it works...
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2013, 03:40:29 PM »
That's about the size of it!

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Re: The Power of the Lord
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 10:53:23 AM »
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2013, 01:50:54 PM »
Are you not bored of chewing same questions for years?

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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2013, 02:08:27 PM »
Are you not bored of chewing same questions for years?
Totally.  That's why I make up crazy stories about a deity vaccinating the universe with artificial evil.  It's more exciting than seeking actual answers.
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2013, 02:36:15 PM »
Are you not bored of chewing same questions for years?

It's like asking if a teacher is bored by having to teach the same subject, isn't it? All the godbotherers are individuals, they all have their own idea of what gods are, how and why they operate, and why, to them, they are real.

Godbotherers that arrive here are usually here as a result of trying to answer the Forum's Question - they all fail. We hope that our answers help them think. We hope the answers we give are there for others, like you, to look through.

We sow the seeds of rationality: sometimes they grow.

I wonder why you never thought of that?
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2013, 02:46:07 PM »
Are you not bored of chewing same questions for years?

Is this the same place anyone here always hangs out at?

But this is a repetitious place, eh, argument is still fun, and we sometimes talk about other things. Of course I bet those who go to church and listen to the same sermon repetitiously may have more to complain about.

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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2013, 02:03:22 AM »
Are you not bored of chewing same questions for years?
Are you not bored of looking for a single shred of evidence that any god(s) actually exist, or do you not dare to think for yourself? (jailed mind perhaps?)
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2013, 02:06:19 AM »
So you are ingrained atheist and therefore if you hear somewhere something about god you at once say yourself: "I'm not interested in it". Does it not seem to you such approach makes to skip something critically important?

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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2013, 02:08:33 AM »
Are you not bored of chewing same questions for years?
Are you not bored of looking for a single shred of evidence that any god(s) actually exist, or do you not dare to think for yourself? (jailed mind perhaps?)

Single shred of evidence? How to be with numerous cases unexplainable from materialism position?

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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 02:23:02 AM »
Single shred of evidence? How to be with numerous cases unexplainable from materialism position?

Possibly "not properly examined" rather than "unexplainable."  I have noticed that believers are swift to credit their good fortune to their favourite deities, and not nearly as interested in seeing if there was a non-supernatural explanation.  Usually by the time anyone skeptical comes along to question their claims, the evidence trail has gone cold.

Real-life things can be explained and frequently are replicated or even improved upon.  For instance, when it was discovered that something in willow plants eased pain and fever it eventually led to the pharmaceutical acetylsalicylic acid, better known as Aspirin.  "Miracles," on the other hand, are useless to the rest of us because they tend to happen only once under vague circumstances and don't translate into other people receiving the same benefits.
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2013, 02:28:34 AM »
So you are ingrained atheist and therefore if you hear somewhere something about god you at once say yourself: "I'm not interested in it". Does it not seem to you such approach makes to skip something critically important?

I'm sure if a new argument was presented in favour of the existence of god(s) we'd be very interested.

The problem for theists is that they never, ever come up with anything new. We've seen it all dozens of times before.

It is difficult to feign interest in the same tired, old and long-debunked arguments again
and again. What seems new, exciting and compelling to you is old hat to us.
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2013, 02:29:32 AM »
If god is really all that, there should be mountains, literally universes full of clear, irrefutable, unmistakable evidence. Science should operate only with the grace of the one true god. Nothing should work unless it is approved by the one true god. But no. All we get is logical fallacies, excuses, complicated apologetics, fairy tales, shifting definitions, bumper sticker slogans and threats. Every god has as the same evidence for Santa Claus, Thor and Cinderella.

We are supposed to suspend disbelief and wait, looking under every rock, sifting through all the obvious chaff, looking for the shred that might prove god.... &)
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2013, 02:32:41 AM »
Are you not bored of chewing same questions for years?
Are you not bored of looking for a single shred of evidence that any god(s) actually exist, or do you not dare to think for yourself? (jailed mind perhaps?)

Single shred of evidence? How to be with numerous cases unexplainable from materialism position?

You aren't using terribly precise terms. When you say "god", do you mean the Christian God, or Jewish God, or Allah?

When you say unexplainable, does anything unexplainable prove any god, or did you have something in mind in particular from one religion?
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2013, 02:35:21 AM »
So you are ingrained atheist and therefore if you hear somewhere something about god you at once say yourself: "I'm not interested in it". Does it not seem to you such approach makes to skip something critically important?
You are making assumptions here. I would welcome some evidence to be presented so that we could all see it, that would be very interesting.
"critically important" Again, feel free to show us what is.
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2013, 02:37:05 AM »
Single shred of evidence? How to be with numerous cases unexplainable from materialism position?

Which do you prefer:

A: having answers
B: having correct answers

If you're satisfied with the first, then religion will give you what you want. But some of us would rather accept that we don't have an explanation for some things than to accept a poor explanation and just pretend that we actually know something. Better honest ignorance than bogus knowledge.

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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2013, 02:50:01 AM »
Are you not bored of chewing same questions for years?

No, it isn't boring. Because no two christians ever say the same thing. So it ends up being a brand new argument every time. You wouldn't believe how many different ways we've been told that the water from the flood got here. Nor the number of definitions of "free will" we've heard.

If christians were putting forth a coherent and consistent argument about their position, and against ours, it might be a sign that they had a good source of information. But since christians here have always argued from a pimped version of that religion, is sort of makes us think that maybe the whole thing is made up.

And apparently we find such things fun to talk about.
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2013, 02:52:19 AM »
If god is really all that, there should be mountains, literally universes full of clear, irrefutable, unmistakable evidence. Science should operate only with the grace of the one true god. Nothing should work unless it is approved by the one true god. But no. All we get is logical fallacies, excuses, complicated apologetics, fairy tales, shifting definitions, bumper sticker slogans and threats. Every god has as the same evidence for Santa Claus, Thor and Cinderella.

We are supposed to suspend disbelief and wait, looking under every rock, sifting through all the obvious chaff, looking for the shred that might prove god.... &)

Did you walk on my link?

Also then he hided existence of spiritual part of world from humankind in order to:

 1) cultivate evil;
 2) do not let humankind to grasp of its role.


But some shreds we have. Just for example offhand:

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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2013, 03:02:02 AM »

You aren't using terribly precise terms. When you say "god", do you mean the Christian God, or Jewish God, or Allah?

When you say unexplainable, does anything unexplainable prove any god, or did you have something in mind in particular from one religion?

Christianity - lie of god.
All rest religions - lie of fallen angels.

So, yes, I'm founding on christianity.

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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2013, 03:08:25 AM »
Are you not bored of chewing same questions for years?
Are you not bored of looking for a single shred of evidence that any god(s) actually exist, or do you not dare to think for yourself? (jailed mind perhaps?)

Single shred of evidence? How to be with numerous cases unexplainable from materialism position?

Skeptic, is that you?

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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2013, 03:15:02 AM »
^^^
I think you called it, boss.
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2013, 03:37:43 AM »
Single shred of evidence? How to be with numerous cases unexplainable from materialism position?

Which do you prefer:

A: having answers
B: having correct answers

If you're satisfied with the first, then religion will give you what you want. But some of us would rather accept that we don't have an explanation for some things than to accept a poor explanation and just pretend that we actually know something. Better honest ignorance than bogus knowledge.

Which do you prefer to say about unknown things:

A: they do not exist
B: we can not say something certain of it

If you're doing first, then atheism will give you what you want. You exactly give poor explanation instead of honest conceding of your ignorance.
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2013, 03:57:59 AM »
But some shreds we have. Just for example offhand:

Failed at your first attempt I'm afraid. You really must learn to question things- try to keep an open mind.
http://www.ummulhasanaat.co.za/angel-over-kaaba-not-real
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2013, 04:24:26 AM »

Failed at your first attempt I'm afraid. You really must learn to question things- try to keep an open mind.
http://www.ummulhasanaat.co.za/angel-over-kaaba-not-real

I will not argue with you is that case false or true. Just some another links:







There are dozens of such things on YouTube. Some of them are fake but not all.
Yes, try to keep an open mind.
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2013, 04:29:23 AM »
Why are you posting an instance of an insect crawling across a lens?

Your theology is still not clear.

It would be helpful to all of us, if you spelled out your basic Biblical belief system.

Do you believe in the flood?
Do demons stop us from believing in the Christian God, or is it a test from God?
Have you any evidence yourself, or do you just use bad youtubes?
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2013, 04:30:28 AM »
There are dozens of such things on YouTube. Some of them are fake but not all.
Yes, try to keep an open mind.

How do you distinguish which is which?

That's the problem we always have, esp. when the fakes get more professional.
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2013, 04:36:12 AM »
First video actually states it's an insect.
Second video is a non story. Glad the baby survived but you cannot say that was due to a god. No evidence at all.
Third video- HOAX


This could soon get to be a very long thread that will go nowhere.
If you like youtube clips then I highly recommend starting here-
http://www.youtube.com/user/richarddawkinsdotnet?feature=relchannel
Enjoy
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Re: The Power of the Lord
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2013, 04:56:07 AM »
Why are you posting an instance of an insect crawling across a lens?

Your theology is still not clear.

It would be helpful to all of us, if you spelled out your basic Biblical belief system.

Do you believe in the flood?
Do demons stop us from believing in the Christian God, or is it a test from God?
Have you any evidence yourself, or do you just use bad youtubes?

You should better tell "Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus." It will explain all and always.

Read book of Jessica Jones "Ask for the ancient paths" about flood and other.

Demons are god's zombies. They are doing only he wants.