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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2013, 03:53:30 AM »
I thought it was quite ranty and over the top. It's OK that you disagree.

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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2013, 04:18:57 AM »
The only thing I'm offended by in regards of religion is the fact that they're trying to get a free pass to teach their crap in schools, and get it into politics.
THAT offends me greatly, otherwise I couldn't care less.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2013, 12:28:18 PM »
I thought it was quite ranty and over the top. It's OK that you disagree.

And this is a perfect example of where *I* get offended.  Ataraxia was espousing the fact that children should not be indoctrinated, something that a lot of folks (myself included) feel very strongly about as one of the major faults of religion.  He was very specific: believe what you want, but leave it outside MY door and MY family.  Once you come into MY house and start making judgment calls on whether I should be foisting YOUR superstition upon MY child, you'd better believe I'm going to rant.

But Magic thinks that was too much.  Religion does NOT deserve the free pass it seems to always get.  No fundy gets to decide what I do with my kids, or what Ataraxia does with his.  Why, MM, was that over the top: to proclaim strong dissatisfaction with a judgment on how he's raising his kids that he thinks is ridiculous on its face?
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2013, 02:23:59 PM »
Subjective opinion on his word choice, Boots. It's also OK that you disagree with me.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2013, 03:18:49 PM »
It's my style. You either like it or lump it, I suppose.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2013, 06:37:27 PM »
Subjective opinion on his word choice, Boots. It's also OK that you disagree with me.

so, it's the word choice, not the substance of the message, that bothered you MM?
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2013, 06:38:16 PM »
The only thing I'm offended by in regards of religion is the fact that they're trying to get a free pass to teach their crap in schools, and get it into politics.
THAT offends me greatly, otherwise I couldn't care less.

but intelligent design is a very good explanation for the complex things in nature. Nobody can explain how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_cockroach_wasp can evolve on its own.

The emerald cockroach wasp stings a live cockroach and uses it's stomach to host its larvae. No way this can evolve without a divine hand at work. How did the first emerald cockroach wasp "just know" how to sting a cockroach and use it for its larvae? It must have been designed beforehand, for they can not evolve simultaneously. That is certainly an asinine idea.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2013, 06:43:11 PM »
Subjective opinion on his word choice, Boots. It's also OK that you disagree with me.

so, it's the word choice, not the substance of the message, that bothered you MM?

Yes, the words used and style of writing. Not the sentiment.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2013, 07:15:06 PM »
The only thing I'm offended by in regards of religion is the fact that they're trying to get a free pass to teach their crap in schools, and get it into politics.
THAT offends me greatly, otherwise I couldn't care less.

but intelligent design is a very good explanation for the complex things in nature. Nobody can explain how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_cockroach_wasp can evolve on its own.

The emerald cockroach wasp stings a live cockroach and uses it's stomach to host its larvae. No way this can evolve without a divine hand at work. How did the first emerald cockroach wasp "just know" how to sting a cockroach and use it for its larvae? It must have been designed beforehand, for they can not evolve simultaneously. That is certainly an asinine idea.
Does the snake just dream up the poison in its head or did God want the snakes to kill a few hundred people a year with its divine design? BTW what would God make such a poor design allowing one animal to host the offspring of another,it always works out bad for the host animal.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2013, 07:21:30 PM »
The only thing I'm offended by in regards of religion is the fact that they're trying to get a free pass to teach their crap in schools, and get it into politics.
THAT offends me greatly, otherwise I couldn't care less.

but intelligent design is a very good explanation for the complex things in nature. Nobody can explain how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_cockroach_wasp can evolve on its own.

The emerald cockroach wasp stings a live cockroach and uses it's stomach to host its larvae. No way this can evolve without a divine hand at work. How did the first emerald cockroach wasp "just know" how to sting a cockroach and use it for its larvae? It must have been designed beforehand, for they can not evolve simultaneously. That is certainly an asinine idea.
Does the snake just dream up the poison in its head or did God want the snakes to kill a few hundred people a year with its divine design? BTW what would God make such a poor design allowing one animal to host the offspring of another,it always works out bad for the host animal.

"Why would God.....?" is an argument from incredulity.

Just because you may not know doesn't mean there is no reason.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2013, 07:37:26 PM »
No it was a statement,about evolution. If it was not the cockroach having its stomach used as an egg sack I'm sure the wasp would have used another host or evolved a different way to ensure its offspring survived. It is just unfortunate for the cockroach. 

There are lots of things in the animal kingdom that use hosts for hatching offspring,our bodies are a fine example of a host,for thousands of organisms. We have a symbiotic relationship with many,we keep them alive and they in turn help us survive. Without them we would die off.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2013, 07:38:26 PM »

"Why would God.....?" is an argument from incredulity.

Just because you may not know doesn't mean there is no reason.

This is all well and good, unless you think that it doesn't apply to Emerald cockroach wasps.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2013, 07:40:02 PM »
No it was a statement,if it was not the cockroach having its stomach used as an egg sack I'm sure the wasp would have used another host or evolved a different way to ensure its offspring survived. It is just unfortunate for the cockroach. 

There are lots of things in the animal kingdom that use hosts for hatching offspring,our bodies are a fine example of a host,for thousands of organisms. We have a symbiotic relationship with many,we keep them alive and they in turn help us survive. Without them we would die off.

Is it your position that our bodies being a host for organisms is a good thing, not to be blamed by God? If we can't live without them, it suggests intelligent design to me and plenty of others.

So I expect you guys to not be blaming God for anything anymore, considering we need this stuff to live.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2013, 07:43:14 PM »
but intelligent design is a very good explanation for the complex things in nature. Nobody can explain how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_cockroach_wasp can evolve on its own.

The emerald cockroach wasp stings a live cockroach and uses it's stomach to host its larvae. No way this can evolve without a divine hand at work. How did the first emerald cockroach wasp "just know" how to sting a cockroach and use it for its larvae? It must have been designed beforehand, for they can not evolve simultaneously. That is certainly an asinine idea.

Argument from incredulity: just because you think such a predator-prey relationship can't evolve naturally doesn't make it so. Can't you grasp that evolution proceeds in gradual increments, that the relationships we see now between different organisms took nearly countless generations to reach their current state?

It seems a common problem with creationists that they think evolution needs to happen fast enough for them to see it to make it valid. But the theory predicts gradual, incremental change, not the absurd creationist parodies like "crocoducks". That slow change is reflected both in the fossil record and in the nested genetic similarities between various organisms.

"Intelligent design" is a religious apologetic, "stealth creationism" meant to deceive the courts that keep striking down attempts to get religious beliefs taught as science in public schools. That's all it was ever meant to be.

I'm not going to derail this thread into discussing these topics. I'll start an "Intelligent design" thread later. 
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2013, 07:52:43 PM »
No it was a statement,if it was not the cockroach having its stomach used as an egg sack I'm sure the wasp would have used another host or evolved a different way to ensure its offspring survived. It is just unfortunate for the cockroach. 

There are lots of things in the animal kingdom that use hosts for hatching offspring,our bodies are a fine example of a host,for thousands of organisms. We have a symbiotic relationship with many,we keep them alive and they in turn help us survive. Without them we would die off.

Is it your position that our bodies being a host for organisms is a good thing, not to be blamed by God? If we can't live without them, it suggests intelligent design to me and plenty of others.

So I expect you guys to not be blaming God for anything anymore, considering we need this stuff to live.
If an organism can kill us by using our body as host it is not intelligent design,look at victims of the black plague. Theists thought it was God,we learned through science what it ACTUALLY was.

 If an organism out there can kill us is it because of free-will and intelligent design or that the organism could not give a fuck if the host dies,as long as it(the organism) survives?
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2013, 08:03:19 PM »
Please everyone, just ignore Skep--he's trying to change the topic.  (BTW, I accidentally gave him a + karma on his ridiculous statement that atheists are doing most of the evangelizing these days.  If someone could fix that to a - karma, I would much appreciate it!)

Anyway, about the actual topic, I, like xxyzy, am offended when people thank god for good things (instead of science, other people, random good luck).  SO annoying.  Plus, pleas for prayers sort of annoy since they obviously don't work.

But, like most here, I am offended by the Christians in the US who seem to think that everyone believes the same thing they do and that everything revolves around their belief system.  UGH.  Stop trying to make our country a theocracy!

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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2013, 08:34:40 PM »
Is it your position that our bodies being a host for organisms is a good thing, not to be blamed by God? If we can't live without them, it suggests intelligent design to me and plenty of others.

So I expect you guys to not be blaming God for anything anymore, considering we need this stuff to live.

A true intelligent designer could make digestive system that didn't require foreign bacteria to work. When the lack of foreign bacteria can cause many a health problem, being dependent upon them lacks a certain amount of wisdom.

An evolution-caused digestive system doesn't have any intelligence behind it, so it can do things that don't look all that smart, but still work. Most of the time. You of course, preferring the right to be selectively incredulous, feel otherwise. But it ain't feelings that explains this stuff. It is reality.  And since you have no contact with it, I'm not surprised that you have to come up with alternative explanations.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2013, 08:44:51 PM »
So I expect you guys to not be blaming God for anything anymore, considering we need this stuff to live.
Hard to "blame" that which doesn't exist.

For the record I don't blame god for anything - I blame stupid, credulous people for a lot of stuff though.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2013, 08:52:27 PM »
Argument from incredulity: just because you think such a predator-prey relationship can't evolve naturally doesn't make it so. Can't you grasp that evolution proceeds in gradual increments, that the relationships we see now between different organisms took nearly countless generations to reach their current state?

Can you show us the gradual increments of the evolution of the emerald cockroach wasp?

"Intelligent design" is a religious apologetic, "stealth creationism" meant to deceive the courts that keep striking down attempts to get religious beliefs taught as science in public schools. That's all it was ever meant to be.

It is not stealth creationism.

Scientists have actually found that DNA is basically a coded computer program. It takes intelligence to make a coded computer program.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2013, 08:55:05 PM »
The only thing I'm offended by in regards of religion is the fact that they're trying to get a free pass to teach their crap in schools, and get it into politics.
THAT offends me greatly, otherwise I couldn't care less.

but intelligent design is a very good explanation for the complex things in nature. Nobody can explain how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_cockroach_wasp can evolve on its own.

The emerald cockroach wasp stings a live cockroach and uses it's stomach to host its larvae. No way this can evolve without a divine hand at work. How did the first emerald cockroach wasp "just know" how to sting a cockroach and use it for its larvae? It must have been designed beforehand, for they can not evolve simultaneously. That is certainly an asinine idea.

Just because it uses cockroaches now doesn't mean it used them in the past, they've also been known to use other insects as well, though it's extremely rare.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2013, 08:58:55 PM »
Argument from incredulity: just because you think such a predator-prey relationship can't evolve naturally doesn't make it so. Can't you grasp that evolution proceeds in gradual increments, that the relationships we see now between different organisms took nearly countless generations to reach their current state?

Can you show us the gradual increments of the evolution of the emerald cockroach wasp?

"Intelligent design" is a religious apologetic, "stealth creationism" meant to deceive the courts that keep striking down attempts to get religious beliefs taught as science in public schools. That's all it was ever meant to be.

It is not stealth creationism.

Scientists have actually found that DNA is basically a coded computer program. It takes intelligence to make a coded computer program.

I'm going to call BS on this, because it does not necessarily require an intelligence to make a computer program. I can use /dev/urandom on my computer to produce valid code and insert it into an ELF, I would have no idea what it did, but it WOULD be valid.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2013, 09:41:54 PM »
Just because it uses cockroaches now doesn't mean it used them in the past, they've also been known to use other insects as well, though it's extremely rare.

Do you have evidence they used other insects?
or is it just accepted on faith?
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2013, 09:43:29 PM »
Argument from incredulity: just because you think such a predator-prey relationship can't evolve naturally doesn't make it so. Can't you grasp that evolution proceeds in gradual increments, that the relationships we see now between different organisms took nearly countless generations to reach their current state?

Can you show us the gradual increments of the evolution of the emerald cockroach wasp?

"Intelligent design" is a religious apologetic, "stealth creationism" meant to deceive the courts that keep striking down attempts to get religious beliefs taught as science in public schools. That's all it was ever meant to be.

It is not stealth creationism.

Scientists have actually found that DNA is basically a coded computer program. It takes intelligence to make a coded computer program.
What would you call the genetic mistakes like Spina bifida,Crohns,Downs syndrome,infant cancer? the result of free will? The creator being imperfect?
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2013, 09:43:54 PM »
I'm going to call BS on this, because it does not necessarily require an intelligence to make a computer program. I can use /dev/urandom on my computer to produce valid code and insert it into an ELF, I would have no idea what it did, but it WOULD be valid.

You still have to do it yourself though. You must press a button.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2013, 09:44:04 PM »
Just because it uses cockroaches now doesn't mean it used them in the past, they've also been known to use other insects as well, though it's extremely rare.

Do you have evidence they used other insects?
or is it just accepted on faith?

Not on hand, it'll take a while to find, but no I'm not accepting it on faith. Nice try.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2013, 09:44:50 PM »
What would you call the genetic mistakes like Spina bifida,Crohns,Downs syndrome,infant cancer? the result of free will? The creator being imperfect?

Some things are imperfect due to the fall. Things have been deteriorating for 6,000 years.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2013, 09:45:03 PM »
I'm going to call BS on this, because it does not necessarily require an intelligence to make a computer program. I can use /dev/urandom on my computer to produce valid code and insert it into an ELF, I would have no idea what it did, but it WOULD be valid.

You still have to do it yourself though. You must press a button.

Are you really going to go there? I can eliminate myself from the picture quite easily.

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All it would take is for a GROUP of people to type one letter at a time, this acts as a sort of natural selection, if one person makes a mistake, the next person corrects it, each person doing one task and ONLY one task.
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2013, 09:45:36 PM »
Just because it uses cockroaches now doesn't mean it used them in the past, they've also been known to use other insects as well, though it's extremely rare.

Do you have evidence they used other insects?
or is it just accepted on faith?
Troll,so God created the cockroach just for breeding purpose of the wasp?
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Re: Are atheists offended by belief in god(s)?
« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2013, 09:48:12 PM »
What would you call the genetic mistakes like Spina bifida,Crohns,Downs syndrome,infant cancer? the result of free will? The creator being imperfect?

Some things are imperfect due to the fall. Things have been deteriorating for 6,000 years.
Jesus corrected it or he "died" for nothing.
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