I don't see a single word on how your god could stand to be anywhere near a sinner. Just talk about him choosing or not choosing people to have mercy on. That doesn't explain anything.
Thanks Jaime - no, I don't understand the answer either, Harbinger.
After sin God separated himself from the creation.....His eyes are to pure to even look upon sin.
You also said:
I was saved in my van .....Just me and God.
I do not understand:
How a god too pure to be with sin who has withdrawn from the world, can have been in a van with a sinner to save them.
That's it. To me, its like you have said "I've never ever met Bruce Willis - he refuses to be in the same room as me" - then next thing, you are saying "when Bruce Willis and I were chatting in the same room the other day..."
I do not understand your answer in #59, it does not appear to make sense.
Please can you explain again - using different words - how the two bold statements can both be true?
Still don't understand. Still waiting for those sentences to be reconciled.
I'll try to do this Justice....
Considering God knows all... Before he created anything he knew the end.
Speaking of our current time frame or dispensation being between the 2 Advents (coming of Christ)
On one hand we can say God saw that you would accept Christ and therefore before creation you, by your choice, are a forgiven sinner before you were ever born.
Or.. the blood of Christ is in some sort of cosmic bank account. If you choose to make a withdraw then you are saved. If you choose to ignore the account you are not.
Considering the Sovereign aspect we can say that God himself chose his people. You or I will accept Christ because it was predestined by God himself.
Not by any choice of our own. In this case you or I have always been a forgiven sinner.
or... There is no cosmic bank account which we can draw from rather the funds are already credited to our own account.
If you are pre-forgiven why can't God be in your van too?
I hope this clears things up.
I was talking to my wife and we both suppose as you all have "no dog in this fight" Maybe it would be interesting to hear everyone's take on this passage.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the
called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.