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Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« on: November 20, 2013, 08:31:25 AM »
It sells the idea of salvation from a hell that only exists in itself.

That's like a salesman giving you a disease to sell you the vaccine. Would you trust him?
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 09:40:04 AM »
It sells the idea of salvation from a hell that only exists in itself.

That's like a salesman giving you a disease to sell you the vaccine. Would you trust him?
Correction:

That's like a salesman telling you that you have a disease, that manifests no symptoms of any kind, is completely and absolutely undetectable in any sort of empirical way, and wants to sell you a vaccine that needs to be administered at least once a week, and only works if you follow a poorly written manual telling you where you can and cannot go and what you can and cannot do, and you'll only know if it's worked or not when you're dead.

Would you trust him?
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 09:48:30 AM »
It sells the idea of salvation from a hell that only exists in itself.

That's like a salesman giving you a disease to sell you the vaccine. Would you trust him?
Correction:

That's like a salesman telling you that you have a disease, that manifests no symptoms of any kind, is completely and absolutely undetectable in any sort of empirical way, and wants to sell you a vaccine that needs to be administered at least once a week, and only works if you follow a poorly written manual telling you where you can and cannot go and what you can and cannot do, and you'll only know if it's worked or not when you're dead.

Would you trust him?
Well gosh darn it jdawg, it just sounds silly when you say it like that.

Oh, wait.....
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 10:00:34 AM »
Actually, while jdawg's analogy works in some cases, it still isn't really all that good.  The problem is that there's just so many Christian sects that nailing down a general analogy just doesn't work that well.

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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 10:20:55 AM »
Yes, putting out a fire which you deliberately started doesn't make you a hero, it makes you an attention seeking, praise hunting, conniving prick.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 10:33:24 AM »
Yes, putting out a fire which you deliberately started doesn't make you a hero, it makes you an attention seeking, praise hunting, conniving prick.
Exactly, in fact i think god is suffering from Münchausen syndrome by proxy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome_by_proxy

He inflicts suffering on the world to get attention for himself, god could well be diagnosed as mentally ill
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2013, 10:37:53 AM »
Yes, putting out a fire which you deliberately started doesn't make you a hero, it makes you an attention seeking, praise hunting, conniving prick.
Exactly, in fact i think god is suffering from Münchausen syndrome by proxy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome_by_proxy

He inflicts suffering on the world to get attention for himself, god could well be diagnosed as mentally ill

I knew there was a name for it, and I was scouring the web to find it, but couldn't. Cheers for that.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 10:38:25 AM »
He inflicts suffering on the world to get attention for himself, god could well be diagnosed as mentally ill

Yep, the dude has a god complex.

At least he doesn't think he's the messiah. Well, he does, but he doesn't, because his kid is. But he's his kid. And then there's their holy ghost complex.

Man, what a basket case.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 10:54:26 AM »
Yep, the dude has a god complex.
At least he doesn't think he's the messiah. Well, he does, but he doesn't, because his kid is. But he's his kid. And then there's their holy ghost complex.
Man, what a basket case.
You mean he suffers from multiple personalities as well !
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2013, 06:17:55 PM »
Yep, the dude has a god complex.
At least he doesn't think he's the messiah. Well, he does, but he doesn't, because his kid is. But he's his kid. And then there's their holy ghost complex.
Man, what a basket case.
You mean he suffers from multiple personalities as well !


And it's a psychopathic sociopath that, in of itself, has Daddy issues because apparently it never had a Mommy.

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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2013, 12:07:09 AM »
The FUCKED up thing about this scenario is that the very place he(God) created for Satan only holds unforgiven humans and not Satan. Satan roams free,God is lazy AND stupid for allowing this. You think once Jesus "died" Satan would have been put in his place,hell.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2013, 12:21:52 AM »
It sells the idea of salvation from a hell that only exists in itself.

That's like a salesman giving you a disease to sell you the vaccine. Would you trust him?
Correction:

That's like a salesman telling you that you have a disease, that manifests no symptoms of any kind, is completely and absolutely undetectable in any sort of empirical way, and wants to sell you a vaccine that needs to be administered at least once a week, and only works if you follow a poorly written manual telling you where you can and cannot go and what you can and cannot do, and you'll only know if it's worked or not when you're dead.

Would you trust him?

I'll just leave this BionicDance video here:
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013, 01:41:51 AM »
Yet another atheistic circle jerk thread.  :laugh:

I am curious what the purpose of these threads are.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013, 01:45:46 AM »
Yet another atheistic circle jerk thread.  :laugh:

I am curious what the purpose of these threads are.
Yet more proof, that you have no respect for anyone who disagrees with you.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion, try rebutting what was said, provide arguments against the video I posted, something OTHER than attempting to insult a large portion of the userbase.

That's not very smart.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2013, 01:48:51 AM »
Yet another atheistic circle jerk thread.  :laugh:

I am curious what the purpose of these threads are.
Yet more proof, that you have no respect for anyone who disagrees with you.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion, try rebutting what was said, provide arguments against the video I posted, something OTHER than attempting to insult a large portion of the userbase.

That's not very smart.

What do you guys call a group of people who are discussing Christianity and laughing about atheists? Probably a lot of vulgar names and jokes about their IQ levels, possibly even call them bigots.

It's just giving a taste of the own medicine. As I Christian, I shouldn't do it, but many atheists do the exact same things that they accuse of Christians of doing.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2013, 01:49:44 AM »
Yet another atheistic circle jerk thread.  :laugh:

I am curious what the purpose of these threads are.
To see how long you keep posting in them. It's all about you skepdude.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2013, 01:50:39 AM »
Yet another atheistic circle jerk thread.  :laugh:

I am curious what the purpose of these threads are.
Yet more proof, that you have no respect for anyone who disagrees with you.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion, try rebutting what was said, provide arguments against the video I posted, something OTHER than attempting to insult a large portion of the userbase.

That's not very smart.

What do you guys call a group of people who are discussing Christianity and laughing about atheists? Probably a lot of vulgar names and jokes about their IQ levels, possibly even call them bigots.

It's just giving a taste of the own medicine. As I Christian, I shouldn't do it, but many atheists do the exact same things that they accuse of Christians of doing.
Nope, we mostly discuss how we can help them come to terms with reality, we tend to refrain from insulting their IQ. The occasional joke is thrown here and there, but usually it's people like you who come in and spoil all the fun.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2013, 01:53:37 AM »
Yet another atheistic circle jerk thread.  :laugh:

I am curious what the purpose of these threads are.
Yet more proof, that you have no respect for anyone who disagrees with you.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion, try rebutting what was said, provide arguments against the video I posted, something OTHER than attempting to insult a large portion of the userbase.

That's not very smart.

What do you guys call a group of people who are discussing Christianity and laughing about atheists? Probably a lot of vulgar names and jokes about their IQ levels, possibly even call them bigots.

It's just giving a taste of the own medicine. As I Christian, I shouldn't do it, but many atheists do the exact same things that they accuse of Christians of doing.
Must I remind you that you came here? Do you notice how we're not all hanging around together at some christian  website, talking sh!t to them? No little man, we're here talking sh!t to each other. You're the one who crashed the party - where do you get off complaining about the entertainment?

You're a hypocrite.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2013, 01:55:43 AM »

Nope, we mostly discuss how we can help them come to terms with reality,
we tend to refrain from insulting their IQ. The occasional joke is thrown here and there, but usually it's people like you who come in and spoil all the fun.

Please define reality and how you know what reality is.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2013, 01:57:03 AM »

Nope, we mostly discuss how we can help them come to terms with reality,
we tend to refrain from insulting their IQ. The occasional joke is thrown here and there, but usually it's people like you who come in and spoil all the fun.

Please define reality and how you know what reality is.

It's whatever is the direct opposite of you.

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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2013, 01:57:57 AM »
Must I remind you that you came here? Do you notice how we're not all hanging around together at some christian  website, talking sh!t to them? No little man, we're here talking sh!t to each other. You're the one who crashed the party - where do you get off complaining about the entertainment?

You're a hypocrite.

I am still very surprised that websites like this even exist.

It seems to be an awful lot of dedication to a God that doesn't exist.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2013, 01:59:56 AM »
It's whatever is the direct opposite of you.

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See Nam, that's a problem.
I could just say "reality is the direct opposite of you."

back to the drawing board.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2013, 02:01:32 AM »
Must I remind you that you came here? Do you notice how we're not all hanging around together at some christian  website, talking sh!t to them? No little man, we're here talking sh!t to each other. You're the one who crashed the party - where do you get off complaining about the entertainment?

You're a hypocrite.

I am still very surprised that websites like this even exist.

It seems to be an awful lot of dedication to a God that doesn't exist.

It's a subject of discussion, we're trying to understand WHY christians believe the way they do, and the best way to do that is by directing questions to christians  challenging them on their faith. It does two things, it gets christians who value knowledge to think critically about their faith, and it allows atheists to get some kind of insight into modern christianity. Those are two very important aspects of this forum.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2013, 02:02:27 AM »
It's whatever is the direct opposite of you.

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See Nam, that's a problem.
I could just say "reality is the direct opposite of you."

back to the drawing board.

Except for the fact that Nam has empirical evidence on his side, and he can cite studies, what have you got?
Nothing but a bunch of baseless assertions.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2013, 02:02:47 AM »
It sells the idea of salvation from a hell that only exists in itself.

That's like a salesman giving you a disease to sell you the vaccine. Would you trust him?

No. A closer more appropriate honest analogy would be that somebody gets a disease and they ask the doctor how to cure it, and the doctor tells them what to do. They do what the doctor says and feel much better.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2013, 02:03:55 AM »
It sells the idea of salvation from a hell that only exists in itself.

That's like a salesman giving you a disease to sell you the vaccine. Would you trust him?

No. A closer more appropriate honest analogy would be that somebody gets a disease and they ask the doctor how to cure it, and the doctor tells them what to do. They do what the doctor says and feel much better.
Actually his was more honest, yours is just terrible.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2013, 02:06:07 AM »
It's a subject of discussion, we're trying to understand WHY christians believe the way they do, and the best way to do that is by directing questions to christians  challenging them on their faith. It does two things, it gets christians who value knowledge to think critically about their faith, and it allows atheists to get some kind of insight into modern christianity. Those are two very important aspects of this forum.

Ah, now the butter is slowly beginning to churn.

If you guys used to be Christians, wouldn't you know why we believe what we believe?

Why do you want Christians to think critically about their faith? Does our belief bother you?
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2013, 02:06:29 AM »
Must I remind you that you came here? Do you notice how we're not all hanging around together at some christian  website, talking sh!t to them? No little man, we're here talking sh!t to each other. You're the one who crashed the party - where do you get off complaining about the entertainment?

You're a hypocrite.

I am still very surprised that websites like this even exist.
Of course you are.
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It seems to be an awful lot of dedication to a God that doesn't exist.
I'm stunned that you can bring yourself to come back here every day.

Why aren't you out fighting off all those demons you see all around you that are doing so much harm in the world and leading so many people astray? Why are you wasting time here with us heathens? Shouldn't you be putting your god-given talents to better use, you ungrateful little theist?

Jesus hates liars, and I bet he's none to fond of lazy talent wasting people who are not properly expressing their eternal gratitude to their creator by using those talent for the betterment of all mankind. Time's a'wastin' junior, get your lazy butt in gear and go find a demon to wrestle or you're gonna find yourself frying in hell with the rest of us.

And you're a hypocrite. Mustn't overlook that. Jesus ain't a big fan of that either.
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Re: Christianity sells the solution for a problem created by itself
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2013, 02:07:01 AM »
It's a subject of discussion, we're trying to understand WHY christians believe the way they do, and the best way to do that is by directing questions to christians  challenging them on their faith. It does two things, it gets christians who value knowledge to think critically about their faith, and it allows atheists to get some kind of insight into modern christianity. Those are two very important aspects of this forum.

Ah, now the butter is slowly beginning to churn.

If you guys used to be Christians, wouldn't you know why we believe what we believe?

Why do you want Christians to think critically about their faith? Does our belief bother you?

Heres the kicker: I was never a christian, nor have I claimed to be.
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