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Re: Noah
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2013, 12:59:50 PM »
what about Ben-Hur ( the charlton hestion version)?

I found it overly repetitious.

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Re: Noah
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2013, 02:40:53 PM »
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For example here with too many snakes on the boat.

I'm tired of these mother f*ing snakes on this mother f*ing boat!

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Re: Noah
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2013, 02:49:37 PM »
wonder if it has flooded compartments for the water snakes?
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Re: Noah
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2013, 03:00:38 PM »
What has Ken Ham said about this movie? I have not heard from him yet.

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Re: Noah
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2013, 06:18:22 PM »
I think they'd do better not trying to treat this as the Noah story.

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Re: Noah
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2013, 06:50:47 PM »
I think they'd do better not trying to treat this as the Noah story.

How else could they treat it as? It's called "Noah", it's probably about a worldwide flood, two of every animal etc.,

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Re: Noah
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2013, 07:29:07 PM »
The way they were tossed around on that boat looked like the bridge on Star Trek.
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Re: Noah
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2013, 09:18:19 PM »
Maybe it was people climbing the outside.. Klingons?
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Re: Noah
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2013, 09:26:59 PM »
Maybe it was people climbing the outside.. Klingons?

Or perhaps, the Asgards?
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Re: Noah
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2013, 09:38:45 PM »
^^ It's the "Judge Doom" of the Asgard, clearly.

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Re: Noah
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2013, 10:00:56 PM »
Maybe it was people climbing the outside.. Klingons?

Or perhaps, the Asgards?
Speaking of, which one is that in your avatar?

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Re: Noah
« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2013, 10:02:18 PM »
Maybe it was people climbing the outside.. Klingons?

Or perhaps, the Asgards?
Speaking of, which one is that in your avatar?

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That's who I thought it was, but for all I know, it could have been Loki xD.
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Re: Noah
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2013, 12:51:55 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock_carrier

 Wiki page on livestock transport,no way two of every animal on earth could get on a dozen of these ships never mind one,and this is with high tech modern vessels
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Re: Noah
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2013, 01:10:23 AM »
Wow, great article!

I knew the space limitation was a problem.  After all if you take two (or seven) of every animal on earth there just isn't space, even if you were to blend them up into goo.  Nowhere in the bible was Tardis technology mentioned.
Of course the food and water problem is an issue.. except 'magic'.
Never thought about air circulation though.  Yet another simple problem requiring a magic solution.

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Re: Noah
« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2013, 01:19:19 AM »
By the time they built a boat to fit 2 of every animal on the planet into it, they'd be dead of old age. Oh but they lived hundreds of years, right? They'd still be dead unless they had tens of thousands building it but I doubt that many people would build such a thing that they couldn't, themselves, get passage on.

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Re: Noah
« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2013, 01:46:00 AM »
I weep for Emma Watson's career ... She should be the most hotly sought after actress of the moment and she took this gig? Where she'll be upstaged by Russell Crowe, Anthony Hopkins and the CGIs[1]? This is the best job she could land? Really?
Another Claire Danes in the making ... well at least we'll have something to look forward to, a decade or two down the line.
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Re: Noah
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2013, 06:24:22 PM »
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For example here with too many snakes on the boat.

I'm tired of these mother f*ing snakes on this mother f*ing boat!

Those snakes were....creepy.[1] I predict nightmares among the little home-schooled literal Christian kids who are forced to watch this as part of their curriculum. They had to watch Mel Gibson's R-rated Jesus film.... :o

And were those bats or birds? Hard to tell at least from a biblical perspective. ;)
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Re: Noah
« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2013, 12:01:27 AM »
Is this how Christian's can explain evolution? Two of every animal does not mean two tigers,two Bobcats,two lions,just two "cats" that later evolved into different "species" of cats. Two goats,,,,,evolves into many,bears,dogs,flies,ants....well you get the picture.

 He only needs two of every un-evolved species,takes care of the space and food issues and wraps it into a neat little "plausible" scenario.

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Re: Noah
« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2013, 02:14:19 AM »
And were those bats or birds? Hard to tell at least from a biblical perspective. ;)

Hang on, did birds even get to come along? They don't really walk or creep upon the Earth.
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Re: Noah
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2013, 10:11:20 AM »
Penguins probably did as long as they were kept far away from the shark tanks.  The ark did have shark tanks right?
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Re: Noah
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2013, 10:44:13 AM »
Is this how Christian's can explain evolution? Two of every animal does not mean two tigers,two Bobcats,two lions,just two "cats" that later evolved into different "species" of cats. Two goats,,,,,evolves into many,bears,dogs,flies,ants....well you get the picture.

 He only needs two of every un-evolved species,takes care of the space and food issues and wraps it into a neat little "plausible" scenario.

It's a pretty common YEC type argument.  It depends entirely un-ironically on a sort of 'hyper evolution'.  There is no problem that the big flood does not create more problems for.

All the oceans for example would be full of dead fish.
All the plants on earth... dead.
All the animals... how did they get to the boat?
All the animals... how did they get to where they wound up?

8 people does not really give us enough genetic diversity to survive as a species, even with uh... carefully managed incest.[1]

Even if you only use 2 of every critter, and blend them into juice there still isn't enough room.  That's assuming they don't need to eat (food storage) drink (fresh water) or breathe (fresh air), or live in a water environment (amphibians?) .. who was the lucky person to carry all the fleas, ticks and mosquitos?

It works fine as a story... not so great if it's supposed to be real, like the majority of that particular religious book.

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Re: Noah
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2013, 10:51:45 AM »
28 Days Later was a pretty good zombie[1] flick... does that count?
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Re: Noah
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2013, 11:02:29 AM »
Why was Noah wearing blue jeans at 0:14 in the preview?  Was he the named Noah Levi?
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Re: Noah
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2013, 11:20:33 AM »
Why was Noah wearing blue jeans at 0:14 in the preview?  Was he the named Noah Levi?

They're dungarees made by the fine linen of the animal feces that he had for the boat.

Duh.

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Re: Noah
« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2013, 06:36:23 PM »
Wow, great article!

I knew the space limitation was a problem.  After all if you take two (or seven) of every animal on earth there just isn't space, even if you were to blend them up into goo.  Nowhere in the bible was Tardis technology mentioned.
Of course the food and water problem is an issue.. except 'magic'.
Never thought about air circulation though.  Yet another simple problem requiring a magic solution.

"Magic: Can't live without it, too bad it doesn't exist." ~Noah as he dies of asphyxiation.

People who treat the Noah story as real either have never been to a zoo or never been on a farm. Or been to an animal shelter to adopt a pet. Or watched All Creatures Great and Small.

It takes a hella amount of work to maintain a diverse group of animals--it's fulltime work for several trained people under the best conditions. Under less than the best conditions, add more people and more time. You still will end up with animals getting sick and dying from the unsanitary environment.

You can't even keep two dogs or two chickens in an enclosed space for more than a day or two without, well, let's just say it gets very nasty PDQ. Imagine a boat full of seasick beasties....

Believers in Noah's ark, please stop trying to explain the tale scientifically. We could not replicate it with today's technology--thermometers, fans, electric lights, water pumps, de-humidifiers, antibiotics, animal tranquilizers, refrigeration, air conditioning, food preservation and storage, and all the computer monitors to remotely keep track of each critter. There is no possibility of it happening in some BCE time without all of those things.  Just say god did it by magic. You will look less foolish.
Extraordinary claims of the bible don't even have ordinary evidence.

Kids aren't paying attention most of the time in science classes so it seems silly to get worked up over ID being taught in schools.

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Re: Noah
« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2013, 06:45:03 PM »
Magic,noGods,Magic.
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Re: Noah
« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2013, 07:24:23 PM »
Wow, great article!

I knew the space limitation was a problem.  After all if you take two (or seven) of every animal on earth there just isn't space, even if you were to blend them up into goo.  Nowhere in the bible was Tardis technology mentioned.
Of course the food and water problem is an issue.. except 'magic'.
Never thought about air circulation though.  Yet another simple problem requiring a magic solution.

"Magic: Can't live without it, too bad it doesn't exist." ~Noah as he dies of asphyxiation.

People who treat the Noah story as real either have never been to a zoo or never been on a farm. Or been to an animal shelter to adopt a pet. Or watched All Creatures Great and Small.

It takes a hella amount of work to maintain a diverse group of animals--it's fulltime work for several trained people under the best conditions. Under less than the best conditions, add more people and more time. You still will end up with animals getting sick and dying from the unsanitary environment.

You can't even keep two dogs or two chickens in an enclosed space for more than a day or two without, well, let's just say it gets very nasty PDQ. Imagine a boat full of seasick beasties....

Believers in Noah's ark, please stop trying to explain the tale scientifically. We could not replicate it with today's technology--thermometers, fans, electric lights, water pumps, de-humidifiers, antibiotics, animal tranquilizers, refrigeration, air conditioning, food preservation and storage, and all the computer monitors to remotely keep track of each critter. There is no possibility of it happening in some BCE time without all of those things.  Just say god did it by magic. You will look less foolish.

This is true, and not true. In confined places, such as a boat, sure but one person can take care of the needs of certain animals. In 1996 to 1998 (minus four months) I took care, by myself (after he trained me) my grandfather's cattle. Over 250 head. Every single day. Fed them, made sure they had everything they needed, made sure the fences (electric or otherwise) were in working order, etc., I'm sure many other animals do not need several people to care for them.

Now, enclosed spaces--that's a different story all together. What we're supposed to believe, such as with the "dinosaurs", we have to believe that Biblegod  will temporarily, I guess, make them calm and obey their human masters.

But taking care of animals can be a one person job, dependent on the animal.

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Re: Noah
« Reply #56 on: November 22, 2013, 01:35:43 AM »
It works fine as a story... not so great if it's supposed to be real, like the majority of that particular religious book.

It doesn't even work all that well as a story. At least in the ancient Greek floodmyth, more than two of each animal survived, and while only two human were left, they did manage to repopulate the Earth in a non-incesty way. They planted lumps of iron which, over night, grew into people. Hey, if you're going to accept a global flood, an agricultural race of iron men isn't that much of an additional stretch.
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Re: Noah
« Reply #57 on: November 22, 2013, 02:01:34 AM »
The bible states that it was 2 of EVERY animal...

So how did he get 2 of these?

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