Andy S says..
Nogodsforme, you are right. "The video of the grasshopper with six legs, clearly using them all to walk, will not convince the religious believers that the bible is wrong." I mean, in post #376 Sword makes the ridiculous claim: "A grasshopper walks on its front four legs and the back legs are specialized for leaping -- they aren't generally used for walking." I then show him through the means of youtube that grasshoppers generally do use their hind legs for walking. I mean, does the guy want me to catch a grasshopper and drive it over to his house and show him that grasshoppers use all six legs to walk??? I bet this would not convince Sword either.
Nogodsforme, politely speaking, you are wrong, and so is Andy, but you both know this already because deep down, you know science must prevail on this topic. Science is actually on my side of the debate / argument here. In this case, it matters not what any video on earth independently shows on Youtube without a scientific review of the facts. What counts is the scientific interpretation of the observation. Since no scientific observation has been made in both clips, we need to rely on other external evidence to decide. There is no getting away from the facts. Biology agrees with the Bible, and try as you might to avoid this, we all know that's true.
20 ‘All the winged insects that walk on all fours are detestable to you. 21 Yet these you may eat among all the winged insects which walk on all fours: those which have above their feet jointed legs with which to jump on the earth. 22 These of them you may eat: the locust in its kinds, and the devastating locust in its kinds, and the cricket in its kinds, and the grasshopper in its kinds. 23 But all other winged insects which are four-footed are detestable to you.
This verse clearly indicates that insects which fly, walk on all fours, and have another set of legs for jumping. That's 6 legs. Not only this, but the sources have been provided in previous posts which highlight the same distinction the Bible makes regarding the 4 walking legs, and pair of jumping legs, such as the grasshopper. Biology proves this.
Grasshoppers have 2 pair of walking legs (Leviticus 11:20) http://www.biologyjunction.com/grasshopper_dissection.htm
Grasshoppers have 1 pair of jumping legs (Leviticus 11:21) http://www.biologyjunction.com/grasshopper_dissection.htm
Grasshoppers have 2 pair of walking legs (Leviticus 11:20) See Part 5 at http://hluke.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/2/8/13288821/5-10_grasshopper_dissection.pdf
Grasshoppers have 1 pair of jumping legs (Leviticus 11:21) See Part 5 at http://hluke.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/2/8/13288821/5-10_grasshopper_dissection.pdf
Its very clear to the honest enquirer what is the truth here. The Bible makes the distinction, whereas you do not. Biological science also makes the distinction.
Source: http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/mj02/images/grasshopperdiagram.jpgPlease see post 382 for further details:
To play off of Sword's signature, "For those who believe that grasshoppers use all six legs to walk, SEE THE EVIDENCE. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible".
A wise man once said, "AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES, OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES" (Matt. 13:15).
Oh hallelujah. lol. The video shown with the grasshopper, can not be objectively considered as evidence without scientific interpretation of the facts, since there are two videos with apparent differences for the same insect class. The Bible provides textual evidence, not video footage, or any images, so let us compare text with text. The science texts clearly teach the same as the bible. The videos are interpreted subjectively without external evidence. Therefore, independently speaking, both videos are inadmissible as 'evidence'.
The best evidence for this case, is scientific research written in black and white for all to see. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what has been provided by the SwordOfGod.
Those who believe in God, have no problem accepting the scientific facts backing the bible, and when it does, those who do not believe in God, then pretend science itself doesn't exist to fit in with their preconceived ideas. Such an approach is not objective enough to be considered honest or even reliable when seeking out truth. If you want to deny it thats fine, but at the end of the day, you know what you have done.
In additon, I don't mean to derail this thread but I would also like to question the benevolence of this all-powerful deity. I mean, he says in his holy book that eating grasshoppers is okay but eating pork is an abomination. This god is a jerk. I have eaten a grasshopper before and trust me, it does not taste as good as pork.
I won't offer a reply to a lack of courtesy and baseless insults to God. We are all entitled to our beliefs. Thanks.
And what does god have against pigs. Sure they are "filthy" animals in the minds of many but look at who created them according to Christians. I mean, does it make sense to create an animal and then call them an abomination. Why would you create 2000 pigs and then murder them (Mark 5:13)? What has a pig ever done to Yahweh/Jesus? It almost makes just as much since as god creating people with defects and then god telling these people with defects that they will profane his sanctuary if they approach the veil or altar with the defect that god created these people with.
Anyway Sword, pork is good. I don't know if your denomination allows you to watch rated R movies so I am warning you up front that this is a clip from a rated R movie:
Pigs were made for a reason, but they were not meant to be eaten. Pigs are animals which get rid of just about anything, they are scavengers and best used under controlled conditions to maintain a rubbish free environment on a farm or such like. Prawns are another example of unclean foods. Prawns do the same job pigs do on earth, but in the sea, because they are also scavengers like pigs. God in His wisdom has commanded man not to eat them. The reasons for it, we are not sure. however, one thing is sure, if you eat pork or prawns, you are more likely to suffer health problems than if you don't eat them. (http://modernmanna.org/categories/Health-Articles/The-Danger-of-Eating-Pigs
Most movies today encourage evil and teach us and our children the wrong things, so I am very careful what I watch because I value my family and their overall well-being. Without sounding over the top lol, certain television / hollywood media is used by corrupt people for corrupt purposes and other agencies in order to control people by desensitization, various forms of hypnotism and other visual audio emotional connections. Ultimately, this work is of the devil.