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Amputees [#2774]
« on: November 13, 2013, 03:04:59 PM »
What were the chances of survival for a Greek/Roman style amputation?  By the time of the American Civil War, the chances were 1 in 4 surviving the operation with that statistic not including those who died later from infection. 

Take away at least 1000 years, were the amputees during the time period you are referring to on your web page likely to survive any acts?  How many amputees specifically asked to be healed?  How many of them were in contact with one of the scriptural writers or historians in order for their results to be recorded into a book that would survive for thousands of years? 

Your argument seems fallacious and built more on the thesis of why none of the prominent scriptures mention the healing of amputated humans.

I guess God favors geckos, iguanas, and Egyptian spiny rats more in terms of regenerating lost body parts.  They must not complain so much.

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Re: Amputees [#2774]
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 03:15:29 PM »
If god is around, why would amputees have had a low survival rate throughout history?

Either god doesn't give a shit about amputees, is unable to heal them, or he doesn't exist.

It doesn't look good for god, any way you paint it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2013, 03:51:10 PM »
I am not the author of the video but if you think that it is referencing only amputees from biblical times then you are completely wrong.

The question is as relevant to today's amputees as to all the others throughout history and the simple fact is that god(s) don't restore limbs. In the specific case of the video; the christian god doesn't heal them.

There are any number of ailments that people claim miraculous cures via the divine intervention of the christian god for but there are no reliably recorded instances of an amputees limb being restored through prayer.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2013, 04:05:15 PM »
Your argument seems fallacious and built more on the thesis of why none of the prominent scriptures mention the healing of amputated humans.

You seem to have completely missed the point of the question.  Try again.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2013, 04:37:45 PM »
Your argument seems fallacious and built more on the thesis of why none of the prominent scriptures mention the healing of amputated humans.

Amputated humans? WTF?
Would an amputated human be the larger part of the remaining person left behind after, let's say, the left leg goes off to heaven to be kept in cold storage while it waits to be reattached someday in paradise?
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2013, 09:22:45 PM »
I guess God favors geckos, iguanas, and Egyptian spiny rats more in terms of regenerating lost body parts.  They must not complain so much.
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Re: Amputees [#2774]
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2013, 09:36:59 PM »
What were the chances of survival for a Greek/Roman style amputation? 

Why is that pertinent and why should anyone care?

By the time of the American Civil War, the chances were 1 in 4 surviving the operation with that statistic not including those who died later from infection. 

Why is that pertinent and why should anyone care?

Take away at least 1000 years, were the amputees during the time period you are referring to on your web page likely to survive any acts?

Why is that pertinent and why should anyone care?

How many amputees specifically asked to be healed?

Why is that pertinent and why should anyone care?

How many of them were in contact with one of the scriptural writers or historians in order for their results to be recorded into a book that would survive for thousands of years?

So ... you're saying that there weren't any amputees with restored limbs, right?
 
Your argument seems fallacious and built more on the thesis of why none of the prominent scriptures mention the healing of amputated humans.

Where are the amputees of today who have experienced a restoration of limbs? Where are they? Why are they in hiding? Why do they not openly celebrate their fully restored bodies? Are they too embarrassed in today's environment to reveal their restorations? Are the families and friends of these amputees under some kind of gag order (and a rather successful gag order) to keep the restorations a secret? How does one keep a secret the fact that he/she has a restored limb?

I guess God favors geckos, iguanas, and Egyptian spiny rats more in terms of regenerating lost body parts.  They must not complain so much.

Strange, isn't it? Does that seem like humans are not god's chosen creatures? Even just the Jewish ones? I'm sure Jewish people lose limbs, but as god's chosen people, no Jew has experienced a restoration of an amputated limb. Hmmmm....

Is god an amputee and thinks humans are not fully-formed until we become made in his image by losing a limb?

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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2013, 11:42:12 PM »
Strange, isn't it? Does that seem like humans are not god's chosen creatures? Even just the Jewish ones? I'm sure Jewish people lose limbs, but as god's chosen people, no Jew has experienced a restoration of an amputated limb. Hmmmm....

Is god an amputee and thinks humans are not fully-formed until we become made in his image by losing a limb?

(ponders for a moment.......)

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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2013, 08:16:38 AM »

Your argument seems fallacious and built more on the thesis of why none of the prominent scriptures mention the healing of amputated humans.


Funny, I see the argument as "Why won't god heal amputees" where you apparently see "Why wasn't amputee healing mentioned in the scriptures" I suggest you reread the title of the website.
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2013, 07:17:38 AM »
What were the chances of survival for a Greek/Roman style amputation?

Dunno, but irrelevent.

By the time of the American Civil War, the chances were 1 in 4 surviving the operation with that statistic not including those who died later from infection. 

Medicine[1] has come a long ways, hasn't it? Sure knocks the pants off that All-Powerful god!

Take away at least 1000 years, were the amputees during the time period you are referring to on your web page likely to survive any acts?

Irrelevent.

How many amputees specifically asked to be healed?

If you've ever popped an asprin because you have a headache? That's the equivelant of "asking to be healed." Except, you're putting your trust/faith in humans in opposition to God, because you know he won't do ****. If one does it for such a mundane experience as a headache... you truely believe no amputee has ever wanted thier limb back? Hogwash.


How many of them were in contact with one of the scriptural writers or historians in order for their results to be recorded into a book that would survive for thousands of years?

Irrelevent. Stuff is being added/changed all the time. Every version of the bible is copyrighted, meaning there is something specific in that version of the bible alone. Did you ever read the preface? If you copy a whole book, or 1,000 words, you're bound to have plagerize something.
 

Your argument seems fallacious and built more on the thesis of why none of the prominent scriptures mention the healing of amputated humans.

Missed the point. Ignoring that amputees exist today.

I guess God favors geckos, iguanas, and Egyptian spiny rats more in terms of regenerating lost body parts.  They must not complain so much.

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Re: Amputees [#2774]
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2013, 09:02:01 AM »

I guess God favors geckos, iguanas, and Egyptian spiny rats more in terms of regenerating lost body parts.  They must not complain so much.

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