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Offline pianodwarf

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education [#2773]
« on: November 09, 2013, 09:47:16 PM »
You all have a lot to learn about Christianity. Pastor Fisk's video here can help you, I hope you take the time to watch it and respond to him if you have questions.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpyzJUF2R9Q&feature=youtu.be

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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2013, 10:14:12 PM »
I think we know all we need to know about Christianity.  It is a cult like all other cults.
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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2013, 10:27:32 PM »
I can't get YouTube. Perhaps you could log on here and educate me? Because the rest of the Not True Christians that have come here have yet to convince me that their educational materials are based in reality.

Are yours?
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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2013, 10:31:27 PM »
That incessant arm waving he does is enraging me
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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2013, 10:42:12 PM »
Is your version the right one? We get christians here all the time trying to tell us about their religion, but there are so many version. Hundred, if not thousands. If I were to become a christian, I have no idea what I am supposed to do to do it right. Do I need to be a biblical literalist, or am I free to interpret some bible verses as I want, the way so many of the believers who come here do? Am I going to hell if I don't believe, or is there really no hell? I don't know which way to go on that one, because I hear so many variations. So if I go to the link that you have so generously provided, will it be THE one that will get me all saved and stuff?

I hate having to ask so many questions. I realize that christians aren't supposed to do that. But I'm not a christian yet. So I hope its okay that I am so curious. Under these specific circumstances. If you're is the right version, I promise to be compliant and all that stuff. But its gotta be the right one. I'm picky about my delusions.

Oh yea, and when is god gonna test me. I've been around for decades and nothing yet. My life has been quiet, pleasant and without major mishap. So many of my christian friends have died of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, alcoholism, drug overdoses, bad accidents and one even died of yoga. But me, I'm just breezing along. Did my choice to become an atheist when I was 11 mess up my opportunity to have a real icky death that would be a trial from god? I keep hearing about people being tested by god. Their faith, I mean, not their intelligence. He knows better than that, I'm sure.

Fifty years later I'm still waiting for something horrible to happen to me. Would I have already felt gods love if I'd stayed a believer?

And money. This link guy, does he want most of my money or all of it? I'd have to budget for that and details would really help.

Oh yea, and I don't know much about Hinduism or Sihkism or Judaism or Jainism or Tenrikyo or Zoroastrianism or Druidry. I assume that since I am ignorant of those and other religions as well,  that you are also concerned about my not finding their gods.

Links please.



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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2013, 10:44:32 PM »
Quote from: pianodwarf on November 09, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
You all have a lot to learn about Christianity.

But I thought I learned everything I needed to know from sunday school...
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Being a Christian, I've made my decision. That decision offers no compromise; therefore, I'm closed to anything else.

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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2013, 10:59:28 PM »
Within 40 seconds of OP's linked video Johnathan Fisk says that atheism is a religion and atheists believe nothing is true. I won't waste my time on the other 23 minutes and 54 seconds.
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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2013, 11:05:03 PM »
^^^Thanks... spared me 40 seconds
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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2013, 01:42:06 AM »
Quote from: pianodwarf on November 09, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
You all have a lot to learn about Christianity. Pastor Fisk's video here can help you, I hope you take the time to watch it and respond to him if you have questions.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpyzJUF2R9Q&feature=youtu.be

Take care!

Actually, you have a lot to learn about Christianity.

-Nam
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Quote from: Dante Harnz on December 30, 2014, 09:16:11 PM
I am not even an idiot!  I am a smart man!  I am a smart person!  I do math!  I know about some insects!  I read 1984 in high school!  You don't know me!  I am smart!  you don't even know!

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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2013, 01:45:34 AM »
My question is: if atheism is a religion, why are they bothering us? I mean, do they go to Muslim websites to save souls? Jewish ones? Buddhist ones? Hindu? No--so, if we're a religion: why do they bother us?

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Quote from: Dante Harnz on December 30, 2014, 09:16:11 PM
I am not even an idiot!  I am a smart man!  I am a smart person!  I do math!  I know about some insects!  I read 1984 in high school!  You don't know me!  I am smart!  you don't even know!

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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2013, 02:12:59 AM »
An (arguably) better question: if atheism is a religion, then what would "not a religion-ism" look like?
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Quote from: tbright on November 02, 2010, 12:26:25 PM
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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2013, 02:42:50 AM »
In the simple world of the religious, everything has to be in a context that they can understand. No matter how different a person is from them, that person must still have a religion, because they have a religion. They can't conceive of a non-religious stance. Faith has to be in there somewhere. Their reality requires that everyone be at least a little bit like them. Otherwise nobody else could exist.

You've heard of KISS, Keep it Simple, Stupid?

They've got KISS too. Keep it Stupid, Stupid. And sadly they want us to be stupid too.
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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2013, 04:22:33 AM »
Quote from: pianodwarf on November 09, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
You all have a lot to learn about Christianity.

Actually in all likelihood, you have more to learn about Christianity and its variations than most atheists. Most regulars on this site have a pretty good grasp of Christian theology and scripture, many having been some flavor of Christian (myself included) before losing our faith. Yet in my experience, very few believers really understand how divided and varied their supposedly unchanging, self-evident religion actually is.

They live in their little self-contained bubbles, telling themselves that their particular sect is of course correct; at the same time wanting to pretend the differences between them and the Catholics and the Lutherans and the Universalists and the Methodists and the Mormons aren't really significant and that Christianity is really one big, all-inclusive tent for those who really and truly follow Jesus. But if that were true, where did all these sects come from and why are they still separate?

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Pastor Fisk's video here can help you, I hope you take the time to watch it and respond to him if you have questions.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpyzJUF2R9Q&feature=youtu.be

Take care!

As Zankuu notes, Pastor Fisk gets some pretty basic things about atheism wrong within the first minute of the video. If he doesn't know or care enough to understand the difference between religious faith and its absence , why should I bother with the rest?
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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2013, 04:35:45 AM »
So, Pastor Fisk, you think that atheists "believe that nothing is true"?

Either you're woefully misinformed about what atheism is, or you're deliberately lying about atheists.  Whichever one it is, I doubt that your knowledge of Christianity is much better.
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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2013, 10:54:19 AM »
Is there an all-powerful god that created the universe and interacts with us daily?      No.



Ergo, Christianity is invalid.

So is Islam.

So is Judaism.


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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2013, 05:40:30 PM »
Quote from: pianodwarf on November 09, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
You all have a lot to learn about Christianity. Pastor Fisk's video here can help you, I hope you take the time to watch it and respond to him if you have questions.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpyzJUF2R9Q&feature=youtu.be

Take care!

I especially like Pastor Fisk's dodge of Question #3.

I capitalize the "Q" in "Question #3" just like Christians capitalize the first letter of the names of the various books in their biblical canon. That's another reason why atheism is just another religion.
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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2013, 11:49:50 PM »
When I realized that I, as a high school student, knew more of the bible than my own pastor... it didn't help my faith any.
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Re: education [#2773]
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2013, 09:32:05 AM »
Quote from: pianodwarf on November 09, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
You all have a lot to learn about Christianity. Pastor Fisk's video here can help you,

before I invenst any time in this video, can you summarize it for me?  Can you give me pastor fisk's credentials?  What makes him any more reliable than any other huckster and snake oil salesman in a frock?  Why should I believe him?
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