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Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« on: November 09, 2013, 08:02:13 AM »
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In short, then, the hard core of young-earth creationists represents at most one in ten Americans—maybe about 31 million people—with another quarter favoring creationism but not necessarily committed to a young earth. One or two in ten seem firmly committed to evolution, and another third leans heavily toward evolution. About a third of the public in the middle are open to evolution, but feel strongly that a god or gods must have been involved somehow, and wind up in different camps depending how a given poll is worded.

http://ncse.com/blog/2013/11/just-how-many-young-earth-creationists-are-there-us-0015164

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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2013, 08:17:44 AM »
It's about time!  ;)
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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2013, 10:11:00 AM »
Those results are skewed. They didn't talk to Skeptic666 enough times!
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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2013, 05:56:02 PM »
Finally, progress :D
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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2013, 08:11:59 PM »
1 in 10 is still too many for that bat ass crazy thinking.
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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2013, 04:32:34 AM »
Finally, progress :D

1 in 10 is still too many for that bat ass crazy thinking.

I agree with you both. Any degree of progress away from that kind of reality-denial is welcome, yet one in every ten is still far too high. These are the folks who insist that there's some kind of magic barrier separating "macro" from "micro" evolution; that "experimental science" is different from "historical science" (http://ncse.com/creationism/analysis/historical-science-vs-experimental-science).
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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2013, 05:12:27 AM »
These are the folks who insist that there's some kind of magic barrier separating "macro" from "micro" evolution; that "experimental science" is different from "historical science" (http://ncse.com/creationism/analysis/historical-science-vs-experimental-science).

That kind of thing has always confused me, someone on this forum (probably multiple people), have used the analogy of "micro"-walking and "macro"-walking, i.e
"I accept that micro walking exists i.e, from your room to the door, but i don't believe that you can get from your house to the store by walking alone, you must be teleported by magic pixies for it to happen"

Where exactly is the disconnect? It seems to vary.
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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2013, 06:02:13 AM »
Where exactly is the disconnect? It seems to vary.

It probably does vary from one YEC to another, but one common misconception seems to be the utterly incorrect idea that separate species cannot develop from a common ancestor, i.e. "A dog cannot become a cat! You can breed all the dogs you want from dogs but they'll never be cats!"

You can talk until you're blue in the face (or type til your fingers are numb) about ring species and that evolutionary theory says something completely different than this cartoon parody the YEC has stuck in their head. But I've yet to see the light dawn for them.

For them, "species" means organisms as different as the canids are from the felids. And for evolution to be true, that degree of difference must occur within a single generation. That really seems to be what many if not most YECs expect. In other words, evolution has to more closely resemble their idea of special creation.
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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2013, 09:44:23 AM »
I have yet to hear a reply from a friend who "believes in micro-evolution" on my question of what mechanism prevents "micro-evolution" from becoming "macro-evolution".  To him, they are different, to science, they are one in the same, but involve different amounts of time.

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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2013, 10:00:38 AM »
Cool, that micro evolution. Two almost evolved species live in two separate valleys. But neither becomes a species until God drops in and does about 60min tinkering with a few chromosomes.  ;D

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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2013, 10:36:03 AM »
What they never seem to get is that since the process is so glacially slow, the only way to "observe" it is by backtracking to the most simple life forms, at which point the whole process becomes elegantly simple to understand, and all sorts of things (like vestigial legs, tails, etc, or the fact that our bodies are better designed for a quatruped rather than bipedal animal) all fall into place. And that's not even getting into how all the genetics fit together.
All they can see is that no new species magically arise in front of their eyes.

But the thing is that the world is so full of so many highly complex life forms with their own various niches and survival strategies that even if a new species WAS to be "in progress", so to speak, no one would ever live long enough to see it emerge. The only way to see that it did, again, would be to backtrack existent species and identify where it had branched off. And in the meantime, the only changes we can observe are those of the "micro" variety.

Sadly, the only really new things which might come about at this point would likely be those which found ways to take advantage of all the new ecologies and environments which would open up once humans had gone extinct.

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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2013, 05:43:47 PM »
I agree that 1 in 10 is way too high for an educated nation. When I was in my 30s, I went to a private religious college (I lasted exactly 1 semester there) because it was close to home...and I figured how hard could it be to tolerate the environment and keep my mouth shut? Could. Not. Do. It.  Every time I asked a question or made a comment, the kids would look at me like I was sprouting horns!

I didn't realize until I got there that it taught YEC... and I was a Biology major! How could an accredited college that teaches biology get away with teaching this to young minds? Relocated to the State College as soon as I could.

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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2013, 06:16:41 PM »
Its an interesting stat that 1 in 10 believe in young earth creationism. I remember about 15 years ago at high school we were taught evolution in year 11 science. Only myself (a born and bred seventhday adventist, now im an atheiest)and one other guy in my class believed in creationism. And he was a jehovas witness.  I  was so brainwashed from my upbringing i had so  many arguments with my teacher defending the bible and creation. Now as a logical rational thinker, i look back and i know i was using my pre programmed knowlege from my upbringing and church services every week.

Not many young people who are brought up in any religion get the full facts from thier parents and the facts that they get told are like, "evolution is the devil trying to win your soul if u believe in that". Or its the same nonsense handed down by thier parents and they have never thought to question it.

Im just lucky i got out so im not a statistic of brainwashing. Its so disturbing what children are subjected to when they are most vunerable.
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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2013, 08:53:47 PM »
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In short, then, the hard core of young-earth creationists represents at most one in ten Americans—maybe about 31 million people—with another quarter favoring creationism but not necessarily committed to a young earth. One or two in ten seem firmly committed to evolution, and another third leans heavily toward evolution. About a third of the public in the middle are open to evolution, but feel strongly that a god or gods must have been involved somehow, and wind up in different camps depending how a given poll is worded.

http://ncse.com/blog/2013/11/just-how-many-young-earth-creationists-are-there-us-0015164
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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2013, 11:07:23 AM »
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Re: Interesting Article on Young Earth Creationsim
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2013, 12:58:09 PM »
Yay! Progress
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