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It's not God's opinion. It's God's nature.

"Natures" don't have moral positions.  Conscious minds do.  You didn't cite a thing, a nature - you cited a mind doing valuation.  God's mind.  Now you're changing your story to something nonsensical.  Why?

And for that matter, one could simply say that Kim Jung-Il's nature is to have a certain set of morals, too.  So what?

So basically, "If you're a human, we'll try to end your suffering. If you're a cockroach, we'll suffocate you with poison gas."

Basically a holocaust for cockroaches is OK?

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Biased as I am by being a human and not a cockroach, yes.  Similarly I am in favor of using antibiotics to kill harmful bacteria in my body, even though millions of them will die.  We are in agreement on this point, just not on why.

Interesting point. So you are guilty of speciesism. That's no different from racism.

I am curious if you believe it's wrong to be racist.
If so, why is it ok to be a speciesist?
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Skeptic, would you say that if there was no god, you would act like hitler?
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Biased as I am by being a human and not a cockroach, yes.  Similarly I am in favor of using antibiotics to kill harmful bacteria in my body, even though millions of them will die.  We are in agreement on this point, just not on why.

Interesting point. So you are guilty of speciesism. That's no different from racism.

I am curious if you believe it's wrong to be racist.
If so, why is it ok to be a speciesist?

Answer that question yourself.  Because, as I pointed out, and which couldn't think of a way to address...

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... your god does not give you an objective moral standard.  You're still just using your own.  Even if you decide to abide by the dictates of a deity, you are still the one who took it upon himself to declare that deity "right".  The only moral authority you will ever have is your own.

This is necessarily true even if your god existed.
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Biased as I am by being a human and not a cockroach, yes.

I'm reminded of the lambs and the birds of prey from On the Genealogy of Morality:

"The problem with the other origin of the 'good,' of the good man, as the person of ressentiment has thought it out for himself, demands some conclusion. It is not surprising that the lambs should bear a grudge against the great birds of prey, but that is no reason for blaming the great birds of prey for taking the little lambs. And when the lambs say among themselves, 'These birds of prey are evil, and he who least resembles a bird of prey, who is rather its opposite, a lamb,—should he not be good?' then there is nothing to carp with in this ideal's establishment, though the birds of prey may regard it a little mockingly, and maybe say to themselves, 'We bear no grudge against them, these good lambs, we even love them: nothing is tastier than a tender lamb.'"
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Skeptic, would you say that if there was no god, you would act like hitler?

No.

But I would do away with all laws. No reason to have them.
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Skeptic, would you say that if there was no god, you would act like hitler?

No.

But I would do away with all laws. No reason to have them.

So at heart, you are a nihilist.  You don't have values, only obedience to an authority.  No morals of your own at all.
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You hear that Az, being against cockroaches makes you a racist.

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Biased as I am by being a human and not a cockroach, yes.

I'm reminded of the lambs and the birds of prey from On the Genealogy of Morality:

"The problem with the other origin of the 'good,' of the good man, as the person of ressentiment has thought it out for himself, demands some conclusion. It is not surprising that the lambs should bear a grudge against the great birds of prey, but that is no reason for blaming the great birds of prey for taking the little lambs. And when the lambs say among themselves, 'These birds of prey are evil, and he who least resembles a bird of prey, who is rather its opposite, a lamb,—should he not be good?' then there is nothing to carp with in this ideal's establishment, though the birds of prey may regard it a little mockingly, and maybe say to themselves, 'We bear no grudge against them, these good lambs, we even love them: nothing is tastier than a tender lamb.'"

The point is that I am sure cows would call us evil for eating hamburgers. Yet, you wouldn't think you are evil.

This is how when you guys call God evil, we know God isn't evil.
We are like the cow and God is like the humans.
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We are like the cow and God is like the humans.

You heard it here first folks.

God wants to turn us into human-burgers.


Does he wants fries with that?
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Thing is, if there really was a big difference between identifiable "races" of humans that had a genetic cause, racism strictly on the basis of that difference might be somewhat justified.  There isn't, so it's not.

Treating humans and cockroaches differently is justified on the basis of them being very tangibly different creatures.  Treating sulfuric acid and maple syrup differently is also justified on the basis of them being very tangibly different solutions.

The reason racism is harmful for human beings is that the idea of racial division within the human species is a bogus concept to begin with.
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You hear that Az, being against cockroaches makes you a racist.

-Nam

Species-ist, Nam.
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Thing is, if there really was a big difference between identifiable "races" of humans that had a genetic cause, racism strictly on the basis of that difference might be somewhat justified.  There isn't, so it's not.

Treating humans and cockroaches differently is justified on the basis of them being very tangibly different creatures.  Treating sulfuric acid and maple syrup differently is also justified on the basis of them being very tangibly different solutions.

The reason racism is harmful for human beings is that the idea of racial division within the human species is a bogus concept to begin with.

Being against racism is a Christian Biblical principle though.
Matthew 10:22 "and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved." - Jesus (said 2,000 years ago and still true today.)

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Skeptic,

Hindus are human, the cow is sacred to them, so isn't everyone evil in the eyes of Hindus, of those that eat cow?

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Being against racism is a Christian Biblical principle though.

The Bible was used to justify race-based slavery.  Quit with the BS; it's not convincing anyone.

Any comment on what I actually wrote?
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We are like the cow and God is like the humans.

You heard it here first folks.

God wants to turn us into human-burgers.


Does he wants fries with that?

reductio ad absurdum
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You hear that Az, being against cockroaches makes you a racist.

-Nam

Species-ist, Nam.

You linked racism to it as if the implication was that there's a correlation to the two. Stop backtracking.

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The point is that I am sure cows would call us evil for eating hamburgers. Yet, you wouldn't think you are evil.

I agree.

This is how when you guys call God evil, we know God isn't evil.
We are like the cow and God is like the humans.

Then just as there is no reason for a cow to worship humans, there is no reason for humans to worship God.
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Thing is, if there really was a big difference between identifiable "races" of humans that had a genetic cause, racism strictly on the basis of that difference might be somewhat justified.  There isn't, so it's not.

Treating humans and cockroaches differently is justified on the basis of them being very tangibly different creatures.  Treating sulfuric acid and maple syrup differently is also justified on the basis of them being very tangibly different solutions.

The reason racism is harmful for human beings is that the idea of racial division within the human species is a bogus concept to begin with.

Being against racism is a Christian Biblical principle though.

Bullshit. Cite source or stfu.

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Being against racism is a Christian Biblical principle though.

The Bible was used to justify race-based slavery.  Quit with the BS; it's not convincing anyone.

Any comment on what I actually wrote?

Of course it was used to justify slavery....by corrupt people led by demons.
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Of course it was used to justify slavery....by corrupt people led by demons.

Righteous Christians following God's true word[1], unlike you.

But anyway, I take it that you don't have a comment on what I actually wrote; and this I will take as tacit agreement with it on all points.
 1. Tongue in cheek, in case there was doubt.
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The Bible was used to justify race-based slavery.  Quit with the BS; it's not convincing anyone.
Any comment on what I actually wrote?
Of course it was used to justify slavery....by corrupt people led by demons.

If the Bible was written by people influenced by demons...how is the Bible trustworthy?
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Skeptic,

Hindus are human, the cow is sacred to them, so isn't everyone evil in the eyes of Hindus, of those that eat cow?

-Nam

No. God gave us the animals for food. Demons have convinced some people that eating meat is a bad thing:

1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Tim 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1 Tim 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats*, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Matthew 10:22 "and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved." - Jesus (said 2,000 years ago and still true today.)

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If the Bible was written by people influenced by demons...how is the Bible trustworthy?

To be fair, I'm pretty sure he meant the people justifying race-based slavery, not the original slavery-supporting authors.
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The point is that I am sure cows would call us evil for eating hamburgers. Yet, you wouldn't think you are evil.

I agree.

This is how when you guys call God evil, we know God isn't evil.
We are like the cow and God is like the humans.

Then just as there is no reason for a cow to worship humans, there is no reason for humans to worship God.


So it is your position that it is OK to kill something as long as they are not worshiping you?

I am not worshiping you....
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Skeptic,

Hindus are human, the cow is sacred to them, so isn't everyone evil in the eyes of Hindus, of those that eat cow?

-Nam

No. God gave us the animals for food. Demons have convinced some people that eating meat is a bad thing:

1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Tim 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1 Tim 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats*, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

You're an idiot, or better yet, it's probably more insulting to you if I say: you're a demon.

I'm going with that from now on...no, you're an idiot demon. See, you're not even a smart demon. Sad for you.

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If the Bible was written by people influenced by demons...how is the Bible trustworthy?

To be fair, I'm pretty sure he meant the people justifying race-based slavery, not the original slavery-supporting authors.

biblical slavery was indentured servitude. They got a place to live and free food for their hard work they did. Nothing like the africans in chains in slavery from the 1800's. Thank God Christians put an end to that stuff.
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You heard it here first folks.

God wants to turn us into human-burgers.


Does he wants fries with that?

reductio ad absurdum

I only had an absurd argument to work with.
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The point is that I am sure cows would call us evil for eating hamburgers. Yet, you wouldn't think you are evil.

I agree.

This is how when you guys call God evil, we know God isn't evil.
We are like the cow and God is like the humans.

Then just as there is no reason for a cow to worship humans, there is no reason for humans to worship God.

So it is your position that it is OK to kill something as long as they are not worshiping you?

I am not worshiping you....

No, his point is that in your analogy of the cows and humans being like humans and God, respectively, neither the cows nor the humans are objectively "right" in their moral judgments about the other.  If your analogy was truly meant to work, then you'd be saying that neither humans nor God are objectively "right" in their moral judgments, either.
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