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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2013, 12:01:50 PM »
You really think science cares about finding cures? The more sicknesses there are, the more doctors get paid.

Don't be so gullible. They have a cure for everything. They just won't release them because then doctors will make less money. Their whole income depends on you getting sick!


You're fucked up man...

No really, i think a chimp with a lobotomy would come up with better sentences than you.

Scratch that, if a brick wall could get down syndrome, it would make better sentences.

Firstly, doctors and scientists get paid to cure diseases, not to stand around, make cures and not use them.

lastly, get on topic or GTFO.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2013, 12:17:39 PM »
You really think science cares about finding cures? The more sicknesses there are, the more doctors get paid.

Don't be so gullible. They have a cure for everything. They just won't release them because then doctors will make less money. Their whole income depends on you getting sick!
If this were true, you would think that very few people would ever die from an illness.  They would merely continue suffering and paying for relief.  Hell, drug dealers understand that when a client dies they won't be able to pay for more drugs.

Are you really this gullible?

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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2013, 12:29:18 PM »
So, are you saying Jesus gives them cancer just to show off?

What about the cases where children are just waiting for death? They never get healed and die within 3 years.

How does that display God as some kind of hope?

It gives other people a way to appreciate their own lives even more.

At least it serves a purpose. Simply saying, "You got cancer for no reason. Oh well. That's life" shows a lack of empathy.

At least in our worldview the cancer serves a purpose and we can give the children a reason to celebrate in Heaven.

An atheistic worldview is just "tough shit."

So, it's like some kind of lottery.

"Congratulations! You've been chosen to suffer as an example for other people!"

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I don't know how's that different from "some random tough shit" in a Godless world.

God doesn't give cancer to people who can't handle it.

So you admit that cancer is given by your demon?

That says a lot about you and your demon. Is this normal skip?

You are so sick. Statements like yours remind me why I am supporting atheism.

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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2013, 12:35:52 PM »
You really think science cares about finding cures?....

..... They have a cure for everything.

See the problem there?  Thought not  &)
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2013, 09:58:26 PM »
You really think science cares about finding cures? The more sicknesses there are, the more doctors get paid.

Don't be so gullible. They have a cure for everything. They just won't release them because then doctors will make less money. Their whole income depends on you getting sick!


You're fucked up man...

No really, i think a chimp with a lobotomy would come up with better sentences than you.

Scratch that, if a brick wall could get down syndrome, it would make better sentences.

Firstly, doctors and scientists get paid to cure diseases, not to stand around, make cures and not use them.


lastly, get on topic or GTFO.

I know probably get your information from the media, but that's false. that is what they want you to think.

The truth is that when a sickness/disease is discovered, the doctors jump for joy because it means more sick people to line the doctors' pockets with cash.

Years ago, I had a dentist who would say, "Don't brush your teeth. it's more money for me if you get cavities."

Contrary to what the atheists think, life is not sunshine and lollipops.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2013, 11:47:14 PM »
You really think science cares about finding cures? The more sicknesses there are, the more doctors get paid.

Skeptic, I find the above statement to be extremely offensive, and libellous as well.

Both My brother and I work in medicine.  He's a geneticist, microbiologist and immunologist working in cancer research, and his team is trying to crack the genetic codes that enable the body to recognize and destroy cancer cells.

I am a medical transcriptionist.  Over the past seven years I've prepared something in the order of 50,000 reports and have a "smarter than your average bear" lay understanding of radiology, physical medicine, hypertension control, respirology, cardiology, gastroenterology, endocrinology, otolaryngology, infectious disease control, allergy and immunology, nephrology, and My personal favourite, neurology.  I assure you that the people attending the hospitals of this particular city do tend to get better rather than worse.

And researchers from My home province have come up with amazing things:  A vaccine for Rh-negative women carrying an Rh-positive baby; a possible cure for the Ebola virus; and, very recently, the discovery of the cause of ALS, which may someday lead to a cure.  (And that's just three examples among many.  The lab working on Ebola, for instance, played a key role in identifying the H1N1 virus back in 2009, and creating diagnostic tests for it.)

You should be deeply ashamed of yourself for telling such atrocious lies about medical science. 
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2013, 12:12:08 AM »
I know probably get your information from the media, but that's false. that is what they want you to think.

Ohh man, the media, so scary.
May you stop with this ridiculous "media is evil demon informer" act?

The truth is that when a sickness/disease is discovered, the doctors jump for joy because it means more sick people to line the doctors' pockets with cash.

No, the truth is that when a sickness was discovered, a bunch of scientists went around attempting to get rid of it.
Ever heard of the polio vaccine? Smallpox? The work on cancer?

Years ago, I had a dentist who would say, "Don't brush your teeth. it's more money for me if you get cavities."

Firstly that could have been satire.
Secondly, if not satire, report him.
Lastly, where the hell do you live?

Contrary to what the atheists think, life is not sunshine and lollipops.

Its funny, as i doubt anyone here would say that.
I personally find modern life awful in some cases, with so much war/pollution/effing middle east.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2013, 12:15:09 AM »
Contrary to what the atheists think, life is not sunshine and lollipops.

What planet are you from? Of course atheists don't think that, and the ones that do are only deluding themselves.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2013, 11:42:21 AM »
Years ago, I had a dentist who would say, "Don't brush your teeth. it's more money for me if you get cavities."

And here's the rest of skep's story:
"So I instantly decided that based on one remark made by a dentist that of course all doctors are part of a vast conspiracy. Alternatively, I haven't had my meds adjusted for the last few months and I could just be going off the rails."

Seek professional help - you are a danger to yourself.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2013, 11:56:27 AM »
Years ago, I had a dentist who would say, "Don't brush your teeth. it's more money for me if you get cavities."

And here's the rest of skep's story:
"So I instantly decided that based on one remark made by a dentist that of course all doctors are part of a vast conspiracy. Alternatively, I haven't had my meds adjusted for the last few months and I could just be going off the rails."

Seek professional help - you are a danger to yourself.

lol the dentist is right though.

Why should he care if someone has 10 cavities from not brushing? it's more money in his pocket.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2013, 12:01:31 PM »
You really think science cares about finding cures? The more sicknesses there are, the more doctors get paid.

Skeptic, I find the above statement to be extremely offensive, and libellous as well.

Both My brother and I work in medicine.  He's a geneticist, microbiologist and immunologist working in cancer research, and his team is trying to crack the genetic codes that enable the body to recognize and destroy cancer cells.

I am a medical transcriptionist.  Over the past seven years I've prepared something in the order of 50,000 reports and have a "smarter than your average bear" lay understanding of radiology, physical medicine, hypertension control, respirology, cardiology, gastroenterology, endocrinology, otolaryngology, infectious disease control, allergy and immunology, nephrology, and My personal favourite, neurology.  I assure you that the people attending the hospitals of this particular city do tend to get better rather than worse.

And researchers from My home province have come up with amazing things:  A vaccine for Rh-negative women carrying an Rh-positive baby; a possible cure for the Ebola virus; and, very recently, the discovery of the cause of ALS, which may someday lead to a cure.  (And that's just three examples among many.  The lab working on Ebola, for instance, played a key role in identifying the H1N1 virus back in 2009, and creating diagnostic tests for it.)

You should be deeply ashamed of yourself for telling such atrocious lies about medical science.

I suppose there are some good seeds in the medical profession that want cancer cleaned up but there are also some bad seeds who don't want it cured because they make big money on sick patients.

years ago I had an accident and spent 4 days in the hospital. The doctor there said, "It's bad for you that you're in here but good for me" with a chuckle.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2013, 12:11:07 PM »
You really think science cares about finding cures? The more sicknesses there are, the more doctors get paid.

Skeptic, I find the above statement to be extremely offensive, and libellous as well.

Both My brother and I work in medicine.  He's a geneticist, microbiologist and immunologist working in cancer research, and his team is trying to crack the genetic codes that enable the body to recognize and destroy cancer cells.

I am a medical transcriptionist.  Over the past seven years I've prepared something in the order of 50,000 reports and have a "smarter than your average bear" lay understanding of radiology, physical medicine, hypertension control, respirology, cardiology, gastroenterology, endocrinology, otolaryngology, infectious disease control, allergy and immunology, nephrology, and My personal favourite, neurology.  I assure you that the people attending the hospitals of this particular city do tend to get better rather than worse.

And researchers from My home province have come up with amazing things:  A vaccine for Rh-negative women carrying an Rh-positive baby; a possible cure for the Ebola virus; and, very recently, the discovery of the cause of ALS, which may someday lead to a cure.  (And that's just three examples among many.  The lab working on Ebola, for instance, played a key role in identifying the H1N1 virus back in 2009, and creating diagnostic tests for it.)

You should be deeply ashamed of yourself for telling such atrocious lies about medical science.

I suppose there are some good seeds in the medical profession that want cancer cleaned up but there are also some bad seeds who don't want it cured because they make big money on sick patients.

years ago I had an accident and spent 4 days in the hospital. The doctor there said, "It's bad for you that you're in here but good for me" with a chuckle.

The demon in your head always makes you imagine the worst of everyone. You generalise from one person's joke. This is not normal Shep. Ask yourself, is this normal?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2013, 12:12:09 PM »
years ago I had an accident and spent 4 days in the hospital. The doctor there said, "It's bad for you that you're in here but good for me" with a chuckle.
Perhaps he knew who you really were and he was also a member on here, might have been 2 days for anyone else.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2013, 12:15:02 PM »
lol come on guys, be serious for a minute.

You seriously don't think doctors see dollar signs in their eyes when someone calls them up and says they have a problem?

You're fooling yourselves if you think they get sad and upset. Like I said, their whole job is based on people getting sick.

I went to a doctor once and was there for 2 mins and he told me "you're going to have to see a specialist. I'm not the right doctor for this." he charged me 50 dollars just for him to say that and give me the phone number of a specialist. he could've said, "No charge" but he didn't and it was only 2 mins of his time.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2013, 12:18:17 PM »
You're fooling yourselves if you think they get sad and upset. Like I said, their whole job is based on people getting sick.
No No No, their job is making people better.
Surely you are not serious here, sadly you probably are.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2013, 12:18:28 PM »

years ago I had an accident and spent 4 days in the hospital. The doctor there said, "It's bad for you that you're in here but good for me" with a chuckle.

My bullshit detector is screaming.

I find your claims about the dentist and the hospital doc completely unbelievable. You're trying to say that two medical professionals told you that your medical problems benefited them. What an amazing coincidence.

I believe you are making these little anecdotes up to try to prove your point.

If you aren't making it up, it only "proves" that your dentist/doc have a really dumb sense of humor. 

Besides, in the hospital scenario, they need people to be discharged ASAP to free up more beds.  There is no shortage of patients needing the doctor's help - it's not like his earnings would revolve around billing YOU personally.



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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2013, 12:22:01 PM »
You're fooling yourselves if you think they get sad and upset. Like I said, their whole job is based on people getting sick.
No No No, their job is making people better.
Surely you are not serious here, sadly you probably are.
Seek help, you need it.

Their job is making people better. I understand that. This is why they see dollar signs when someone calls them up saying they have a sickness/disease/cancer.

If nobody was calling them, they would be sitting in their office all day staring at the wall going "Come on someone get cancer or a disease! I have bills to pay!"
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2013, 12:22:30 PM »

I went to a doctor once and was there for 2 mins and he told me "you're going to have to see a specialist. I'm not the right doctor for this." he charged me 50 dollars just for him to say that and give me the phone number of a specialist. he could've said, "No charge" but he didn't and it was only 2 mins of his time.
Why go anyway, why not just submit to gods plan?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2013, 12:24:07 PM »

years ago I had an accident and spent 4 days in the hospital. The doctor there said, "It's bad for you that you're in here but good for me" with a chuckle.

My bullshit detector is screaming.

I find your claims about the dentist and the hospital doc completely unbelievable. You're trying to say that two medical professionals told you that your medical problems benefited them. What an amazing coincidence.

I believe you are making these little anecdotes up to try to prove your point.

If you aren't making it up, it only "proves" that your dentist/doc have a really dumb sense of humor. 

Besides, in the hospital scenario, they need people to be discharged ASAP to free up more beds.  There is no shortage of patients needing the doctor's help - it's not like his earnings would revolve around billing YOU personally.

If someone comes to the dentist and the dentist finds 10 cavities, he sees dollar signs. He doesn't think, "Oh my poor thing. How awful!"
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2013, 12:24:57 PM »

I went to a doctor once and was there for 2 mins and he told me "you're going to have to see a specialist. I'm not the right doctor for this." he charged me 50 dollars just for him to say that and give me the phone number of a specialist. he could've said, "No charge" but he didn't and it was only 2 mins of his time.
Why go anyway, why not just submit to gods plan?
Maybe because you know deep down its all nonsense.

Why can't it be God's plan for me to see a doctor?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2013, 12:25:56 PM »
Their job is making people better. I understand that. This is why they see dollar signs when someone calls them up saying they have a sickness/disease/cancer.

In the UK we have the NHS, which means treatment is free for UK residents.Medical staff pay is not dependent on turnover so your point certainly does not apply here and I'm pretty sure it is not correct for other countries either.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #50 on: November 03, 2013, 12:28:21 PM »
Their job is making people better. I understand that. This is why they see dollar signs when someone calls them up saying they have a sickness/disease/cancer.

In the UK we have the NHS, which means treatment is free for UK residents.Medical staff pay is not dependent on turnover so your point certainly does not apply here and I'm pretty sure it is not correct for other countries either.

Treatment is free. But for the rich people, they slip the doctors big bills to get to the front of the line.

That's one of the big problems with free healthcare. Too much bribery by the rich bigwigs.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2013, 12:31:58 PM »
Treatment is free. But for the rich people, they slip the doctors big bills to get to the front of the line.

That's one of the big problems with free healthcare. Too much bribery by the rich bigwigs.
That is a different point to why medical staff do what they do. Do the nurses on the wards get bungs?
Doctors and nurses train for a long time to do what they do, they would not do it just for money, they do it because they care and want to make a difference to peoples lives.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2013, 12:36:15 PM »

years ago I had an accident and spent 4 days in the hospital. The doctor there said, "It's bad for you that you're in here but good for me" with a chuckle.

My bullshit detector is screaming.

I find your claims about the dentist and the hospital doc completely unbelievable. You're trying to say that two medical professionals told you that your medical problems benefited them. What an amazing coincidence.

I believe you are making these little anecdotes up to try to prove your point.

If you aren't making it up, it only "proves" that your dentist/doc have a really dumb sense of humor. 

Besides, in the hospital scenario, they need people to be discharged ASAP to free up more beds.  There is no shortage of patients needing the doctor's help - it's not like his earnings would revolve around billing YOU personally.

If someone comes to the dentist and the dentist finds 10 cavities, he sees dollar signs. He doesn't think, "Oh my poor thing. How awful!"

You are blatantly committing the fallacy of argument/proof of assertion.

It's clearly not working.  Try another tactic, OK?

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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2013, 12:37:37 PM »
Their job is making people better. I understand that. This is why they see dollar signs when someone calls them up saying they have a sickness/disease/cancer.

In the UK we have the NHS, which means treatment is free for UK residents.Medical staff pay is not dependent on turnover so your point certainly does not apply here and I'm pretty sure it is not correct for other countries either.

Treatment is free. But for the rich people, they slip the doctors big bills to get to the front of the line.

That's one of the big problems with free healthcare. Too much bribery by the rich bigwigs.


The demon in your head always makes you imagine the worst of everyone. You generalise from one person's joke.

The demon in your head even makes you think that free health is a bad thing.

This is not normal Shep. Ask yourself, is this normal?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2013, 12:39:05 PM »

years ago I had an accident and spent 4 days in the hospital. The doctor there said, "It's bad for you that you're in here but good for me" with a chuckle.

My bullshit detector is screaming.

I find your claims about the dentist and the hospital doc completely unbelievable. You're trying to say that two medical professionals told you that your medical problems benefited them. What an amazing coincidence.

I believe you are making these little anecdotes up to try to prove your point.

If you aren't making it up, it only "proves" that your dentist/doc have a really dumb sense of humor. 

Besides, in the hospital scenario, they need people to be discharged ASAP to free up more beds.  There is no shortage of patients needing the doctor's help - it's not like his earnings would revolve around billing YOU personally.

If someone comes to the dentist and the dentist finds 10 cavities, he sees dollar signs. He doesn't think, "Oh my poor thing. How awful!"

You are blatantly committing the fallacy of argument/proof of assertion.

It's clearly not working.  Try another tactic, OK?

lol it's not a fallacy. I used to work at a dental office as a desk job when I was 20.

I have personally witnessed a woman come into the office and say "hey Doc how's the business going I haven't seen you in forever." The dentist said, "Well, as long as people keep letting their teeth turn to shit like this guy, I'm in good shape!" and they laughed about it.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2013, 12:42:43 PM »
I have personally witnessed a woman come into the office and say "hey Doc how's the business going I haven't seen you in forever." The dentist said, "Well, as long as people keep letting their teeth turn to shit like this guy, I'm in good shape!" and they laughed about it.

Sounds like you caught somebody making a joke, they weren't being serious.  People makes gentle pokes at others, it happens.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2013, 12:44:44 PM »

years ago I had an accident and spent 4 days in the hospital. The doctor there said, "It's bad for you that you're in here but good for me" with a chuckle.

My bullshit detector is screaming.

I find your claims about the dentist and the hospital doc completely unbelievable. You're trying to say that two medical professionals told you that your medical problems benefited them. What an amazing coincidence.

I believe you are making these little anecdotes up to try to prove your point.

If you aren't making it up, it only "proves" that your dentist/doc have a really dumb sense of humor. 

Besides, in the hospital scenario, they need people to be discharged ASAP to free up more beds.  There is no shortage of patients needing the doctor's help - it's not like his earnings would revolve around billing YOU personally.

If someone comes to the dentist and the dentist finds 10 cavities, he sees dollar signs. He doesn't think, "Oh my poor thing. How awful!"

You are blatantly committing the fallacy of argument/proof of assertion.

It's clearly not working.  Try another tactic, OK?

lol it's not a fallacy. I used to work at a dental office as a desk job when I was 20.

I have personally witnessed a woman come into the office and say "hey Doc how's the business going I haven't seen you in forever." The dentist said, "Well, as long as people keep letting their teeth turn to shit like this guy, I'm in good shape!" and they laughed about it.

Exactly Shep. The demon in your head makes you generalise to see the worst in everyone just from a joke. Did you see what I said three posts above. A joke Shep.

Is this normal Shep. Ask yourself is this normal?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2013, 12:45:17 PM »
I have personally witnessed a woman come into the office and say "hey Doc how's the business going I haven't seen you in forever." The dentist said, "Well, as long as people keep letting their teeth turn to shit like this guy, I'm in good shape!" and they laughed about it.
Laughed about it- it was a joke.It does not mean he wouldn't be giving the patient a first rate treatment.
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