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Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« on: November 01, 2013, 08:52:23 PM »
What's their sin? Why does God punish them?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2013, 08:56:22 PM »
Sins of the father? that excuse won't work if the father accepts Jesus and is absolved of his sins will it?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2013, 09:02:25 PM »
Wow!

Atheists sure wonder a lot about what a non-existent God does or does not do!
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2013, 09:05:58 PM »
Wow!

Atheists sure wonder a lot about what a non-existent God does or does not do!

Yeah. I really wish Christians would give an acceptable answer. But so far, they haven't.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2013, 09:12:24 PM »
Wow!

Atheists sure wonder a lot about what a non-existent God does or does not do!

Yeah. I really wish Christians would give an acceptable answer. But so far, they haven't.

So you really DO wonder why God allows people to be born with cancer?

Does this eat at you every day?

Are you really an atheist?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2013, 09:15:55 PM »
Wow!

Atheists sure wonder a lot about what a non-existent God does or does not do!

Yeah. I really wish Christians would give an acceptable answer. But so far, they haven't.

So you really DO wonder why God allows people to be born with cancer?

Does this eat at you every day?

Are you really an atheist?

Yes. I'm agnostic.

And yes, it bugs me because Christians try to convert me everyday. So I need at least plausible explanations.

Plus, I like controversial discussions. (hence why I visit WWGHA everyday)
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2013, 09:17:19 PM »
Wow!

Atheists sure wonder a lot about what a non-existent God does or does not do!

It's a question for Christians, about their own beliefs.  Hence the thread title:

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Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?

Did you miss that part?  And are you going to post something on-topic?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2013, 09:22:18 PM »
It's a question for Christians, about their own beliefs.  Hence the thread title:

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Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?

Did you miss that part?  And are you going to post something on-topic?

It's a silly question.

I know terminal cancer patients who are upbeat and positive and praise God every single day. They are not wimps, whiners, and quitters.
It seems like atheists are as tough as a wet noodle.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2013, 09:41:20 PM »
That had nothing whatsoever to do with the thread's question.

I take it that the question is too hard for you?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2013, 09:44:14 PM »
In case you require additional explanation, Lectus even offered it:

What's their sin? Why does God punish them?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2013, 09:44:20 PM »
That had nothing whatsoever to do with the thread's question.

I take it that the question is too hard for you?

lol too hard? I said it's too silly.

It is based on a false assumption that our lives must be pristine and picture perfect without any hardship.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2013, 09:46:45 PM »
What's their sin? Why does God punish them?

They did not sin. Jesus answered this question 2,000 years ago.

John 9:2-3
…2And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?" 3Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

Amazing how Jesus is always 20 steps ahead, right?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2013, 09:49:55 PM »
What's their sin? Why does God punish them?

They did not sin. Jesus answered this question 2,000 years ago.

John 9:2-3
…2And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?" 3Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

Amazing how Jesus is always 20 steps ahead, right?

So, are you saying Jesus gives them cancer just to show off?

What about the cases where children are just waiting for death? They never get healed and die within 3 years.

How does that display God as some kind of hope?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2013, 09:51:39 PM »
I'd just like to point out that this:

What's their sin? Why does God punish them?

They did not sin. Jesus answered this question 2,000 years ago.

John 9:2-3
…2And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?" 3Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

Amazing how Jesus is always 20 steps ahead, right?

...really should have been your first post in this thread.  Instead you (pretended to?) misunderstand the question.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2013, 09:55:11 PM »
So, are you saying Jesus gives them cancer just to show off?

What about the cases where children are just waiting for death? They never get healed and die within 3 years.

How does that display God as some kind of hope?

It gives other people a way to appreciate their own lives even more.

At least it serves a purpose. Simply saying, "You got cancer for no reason. Oh well. That's life" shows a lack of empathy.

At least in our worldview the cancer serves a purpose and we can give the children a reason to celebrate in Heaven.

An atheistic worldview is just "tough shit."
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2013, 09:58:08 PM »
So, are you saying Jesus gives them cancer just to show off?

What about the cases where children are just waiting for death? They never get healed and die within 3 years.

How does that display God as some kind of hope?

It gives other people a way to appreciate their own lives even more.

At least it serves a purpose. Simply saying, "You got cancer for no reason. Oh well. That's life" shows a lack of empathy.

At least in our worldview the cancer serves a purpose and we can give the children a reason to celebrate in Heaven.

An atheistic worldview is just "tough shit."

So, it's like some kind of lottery.

"Congratulations! You've been chosen to suffer as an example for other people!"

 :o

I don't know how's that different from "some random tough shit" in a Godless world.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2013, 10:08:53 PM »
So, are you saying Jesus gives them cancer just to show off?

What about the cases where children are just waiting for death? They never get healed and die within 3 years.

How does that display God as some kind of hope?

It gives other people a way to appreciate their own lives even more.

At least it serves a purpose. Simply saying, "You got cancer for no reason. Oh well. That's life" shows a lack of empathy.

At least in our worldview the cancer serves a purpose and we can give the children a reason to celebrate in Heaven.

An atheistic worldview is just "tough shit."

So, it's like some kind of lottery.

"Congratulations! You've been chosen to suffer as an example for other people!"

 :o

I don't know how's that different from "some random tough shit" in a Godless world.

God doesn't give cancer to people who can't handle it.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2013, 10:28:17 PM »
Answering what you mistakenly posted in the other thread:

And what hope is there for the baby that was dumped into the dumpster in an atheistic worldview?

At least in our worldview, the baby will be in Heaven.

Why do you need hope? Why not just deal with the truth and make the best out of what you have?

Why not just help science develop cures?
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2013, 10:32:38 PM »
Why do you need hope? Why not just deal with the truth and make the best out of what you have?

Why not just help science develop cures?

You really think science cares about finding cures? The more sicknesses there are, the more doctors get paid.

Don't be so gullible. They have a cure for everything. They just won't release them because then doctors will make less money. Their whole income depends on you getting sick!
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2013, 11:03:12 PM »
God doesn't give cancer to people who can't handle it.

The most common way in which people handle cancer is to die from it.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2013, 10:21:52 AM »
What's their sin? Why does God punish them?

I can't speak for others, and I am no longer a xtian, but according to my previous church (I don't attend anymore, obviously), we are all born sinful.  Because of the "fall of man."

I have bad memories of the Sundays where a baptism took place involving a little baby.  The pastor would hold the baby up - before sprinkling his/her head with the "holy water" - and say something to the effect of "I know it's hard to believe, but this infant is full of sin, born that way due to the original fall of man." I am completely paraphrasing what he said - but that was the gist of it I remember how it made me cringe.  :(







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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2013, 10:28:18 AM »
What's their sin? Why does God punish them?

I can't speak for others, and I am no longer a xtian, but according to my previous church (I don't attend anymore, obviously), we are all born sinful.  Because of the "fall of man."

I have bad memories of the Sundays where a baptism took place involving a little baby.  The pastor would hold the baby up - before sprinkling his/her head with the "holy water" - and say something to the effect of "I know it's hard to believe, but this infant is full of sin, born that way due to the original fall of man." I am completely paraphrasing what he said - but that was the gist of it I remember how it made me cringe.  :(

So, basically little children suffer incredible pains because the generations before (AKA Adam/Eve) sinned.

That's like your entire family going to jail because your grandfather was a thief. This sense of justice is horrible.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2013, 10:29:14 AM »
What's their sin? Why does God punish them?

I can't speak for others, and I am no longer a xtian, but according to my previous church (I don't attend anymore, obviously), we are all born sinful.  Because of the "fall of man."

I have bad memories of the Sundays where a baptism took place involving a little baby.  The pastor would hold the baby up - before sprinkling his/her head with the "holy water" - and say something to the effect of "I know it's hard to believe, but this infant is full of sin, born that way due to the original fall of man." I am completely paraphrasing what he said - but that was the gist of it I remember how it made me cringe.  :(

So, basically little children suffer incredible pains because the generations before (AKA Adam/Eve) sinned.

That's like your entire family going to jail because your grandfather was a thief. This sense of justice is horrible.

That's exactly what was implied.  Made me sick to my stomach.  So freaking wrong.  :(

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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2013, 10:30:59 AM »
It's a question for Christians, about their own beliefs.  Hence the thread title:

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Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?

Did you miss that part?  And are you going to post something on-topic?

It's a silly question.
To use one of your favorite stupid dodges here: then why are you posting anything on this thread? GTFO if your only intention is to disrupt the discussion and drag things off-topic.
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I know terminal cancer patients who are upbeat and positive and praise God every single day. They are not wimps, whiners, and quitters.
Irrelevant. What does this have to do with the topic?
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It seems like atheists are as tough as a wet noodle.
Not much of a try there skep - it's hard to be offended by anything said by a guy who believes in demon healings. You're gonna have to step it up, young fella.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2013, 10:32:55 AM »
That had nothing whatsoever to do with the thread's question.

I take it that the question is too hard for you?

lol too hard? I said it's too silly.

It is based on a false assumption that our lives must be pristine and picture perfect without any hardship.
Still not addressing the OP - dodging and disrupting are typical tactics employed by those with nothing to support their position.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2013, 10:35:53 AM »
Why do you need hope? Why not just deal with the truth and make the best out of what you have?

Why not just help science develop cures?

You really think science cares about finding cures? The more sicknesses there are, the more doctors get paid.

Don't be so gullible. They have a cure for everything. They just won't release them because then doctors will make less money. Their whole income depends on you getting sick!

OP, idiot. Address the OP. Everything you've posted is a dodge. You're even dodging the posts you're "responding" to.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2013, 10:40:15 AM »
Don't be so gullible.
Since I'm ripping your posts to pieces anyway...

YOU have no business using the word gullible to describe anyone other than yourself. The depth of your self-disillusions are actually disturbing. I'm not joking when I say that you should be under the care of a highly competent medical professional. You need your brain chemistry adjusted, badly. That would get you over your demon obsession.

SEEK PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL HELP.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2013, 11:35:22 AM »
It gives other people a way to appreciate their own lives even more.

At least it serves a purpose. Simply saying, "You got cancer for no reason. Oh well. That's life" shows a lack of empathy.

At least in our worldview the cancer serves a purpose and we can give the children a reason to celebrate in Heaven.

An atheistic worldview is just "tough shit."
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Now my point is- How dare you quote this disgusting nonsense. You are sick if you think there can be any reason at all to give a 2 year old cancer.I have to second what  Jag said at this point- seek medical help. Your view of the world is seriously twisted.
What the fuck do you think a 2 year old would celebrate in heaven? losing her mum, dad,brother, dogs- how the hell would that make a little girl happy?
I really have to question if you truly think about the crap you type.
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Re: Question for Christians: why some children are born with cancer?
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2013, 11:54:51 AM »

You really think science cares about finding cures? The more sicknesses there are, the more doctors get paid.

Don't be so gullible. They have a cure for everything. They just won't release them because then doctors will make less money. Their whole income depends on you getting sick!

How dare you say that you have not got a demon in your head.

This is sick, skep, you are the only one who can't see it. You call others gullible and you are blinded by a demon to even think such things as this.
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